Argentinian Framesbuilders
 

Hello everyone, I wanted to show some of the Argentine painting artisans and, incidentally, show some restorations. hope you like.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3ce5beaf1.jpg
possibly MARTINEZ frame 50s The rear dropout and the seatstay that were totally destroyed were restored, the restoration was done by a local framebuilder who has already passed away, Don Hector LUQUE
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2444b53b.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9d0fa8dfe1.jpg
Roselli road frame
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83d886de91.jpg
Passero road frame
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9cf5c6760f.jpg
Hispano France road frame
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6be8e7252c.jpg
Enrique Ali track frame
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43fc94f5e2.jpg
Roselli track frame
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...69242835d7.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...521676a720.jpg
Felipe Privitera track frame
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e8d3cea5b1.jpg

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...thanks. Very interesting...I love stuff like this.

I subscribed to this thread. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you will post here.

I picked up a nearly complete Roger Saavedra bike a few years back that I still need to rebuild. The frame is lovely. And the parts are almost all industria Argentina except for the hubs which are Pelissier. The parts are campy knock offs. I'm guessing that the bike was manufactured back when Argentina had high tariff barriers and tried to build up the local industrial base. And there are a few articles on Remigio Saavedra like this one:

https://www.losandes.com.ar/article/...a-del-ciclista

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0559012870.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d37e5e2094.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b90e74b194.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f24bc2d66c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ff227003a.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...382c4e2b4b.jpg

Hi, here in Argentina SAAVEDRA were a family of cyclists from the 30s, it was many brothers and REMIGIO SAAVEDRA came to be considered one of the great cyclists of Argentina, a legend for our country. Now, the saavedra brand came to have a complete group of routes and many components /STEM SEATPOST HUBS CRANKSET DERAILLEUR RIMS ETC. The issue is that they weren't nationally manufactured. THE PARTS WERE ORDERED TO RINO IN ITALY. But there were other brands that did make the pieces here like GIORGIA in the city of ROSARIO. and SAVORETTI also from the city of ROSARIO. I SEND YOU PHOTOS OF SOME savoretti things. The CRANKSET that you show are a real curiosity since they are from the first times of saavedra. The GAMBATO changes were also built here and GIANT ROBER under license was made in ARGENTINA.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dd50114cc8.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...46e058893f.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...632de6633f.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bcf1bc4b60.jpg

That’s very cool that some of these parts were manufactured in Rosario. I didn’t know about the connection with Rino. Im not surprised with the connection to Italian manufacturing given the strong ties between Argentina and Italy.

It's a FUN history lesson, please keep adding to this when you have more and thanks, Petit Breton !

Cool stuff!!!

Very nice and very interesting, thanks!

Sweet,

I wasn't aware of the Rino connection. I believe Mike Fraysse (Paris Sport) had a strong connection to Saavedra. I have a set of (Campy compatible) brake pads I got from Mike which I recently used to replace some squealing Kool-Stop salmons. According to eBay he's down to his last set:

Vintage Campagnolo Style Record, Super Record Brake Pads, By Saavedra. NOS

I also see a set of NOS Saavedra tubular rims on eBay right now.

Has the single speed thing fully engulfed Argentina then also? Don't get me wrong, I've had 4 of them over the years. For beautiful old bikes, I like gears, it makes getting further from home easier.

Was the green bike pictured converted to horizontal dropouts during the rear triangle repair you mentioned?

Did Mike Fraysse own Paris Sport? That was located in New Jersey, right? The NE connection to Saavedra makes sense. I picked up my Roger competition (designed by Saavedra) locally in Des Moines but the seller picked up the bike in the greater New York city area.

Yes, somewhere out east. I always pictured Long Island, but maybe up the Hudson. I believe Mike is retired in Glen Spey, NY.

A friend brought back a repainted frame from Argentina that had that design cutout on the lugs. Did they make any frames?

savoretti made stem bike components and seatpost and bicycle tools. maybe it did lugs and dropouts but I don't know. I send you photos of the bicycle tools. he also made some excellent quality inflators
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...db89acf731.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c6f1233c8a.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...71e6393d47.jpg

Excellent thread. Thank you, Petit Breton!

the information about SAAVEDRA derailleur made in italy by rino they are still on the DISRAELI GEARS
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0222c0c378.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aa6042b3fd.jpg
bad image sorry.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a16653699.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9508eb13f.jpg

Here in Argentina single speed and fixie gear also became fashionable. I celebrate that people change the car for the bicycle, although not everyone understands about the quality, the history, and the care of a handcrafted bicycle frame that was made 30 or more years ago. Regarding the green bike you mention it was a track frame but with the rear dropouts stripped (or damage) and they were replaced by a new campagnolo. and the seat stay tubes were also replaced.
I hope you understand what I want to describe since I do not know if the translator is faithful to the idea I want to convey. Thank you

One of my exes is Argentinian, I understand you quite well!