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Old 09-02-20, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
But is it really? Watched one of the wrecks in stage 1 and the mechanic couldn't even get the front wheel off to replace it. Had to swap the bike after failing to get the wheel unscrewed with the power too. That's evolution??
Yep it really is...But I didn't say evolution was perfect...
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Old 09-02-20, 11:26 AM
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this morning they highlighted the pro tweaks to a stage sprint finish winner's bike ..

Featured: electronic shifting and turning over a 54:11 gear to over 50mph.
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Old 09-02-20, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
this morning they highlighted the pro tweaks to a stage sprint finish winner's bike ..

Featured: electronic shifting and turning over a 54:11 gear to over 50mph.
And that’s just what they’ll share.
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Old 09-02-20, 05:41 PM
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And what's the fixation on the matte black finish on components? Cheaper, or saves 4.9g over the whole bike, or...???

Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
turning over a 54:11 gear to over 50mph.
I can turn a 54:11 -- on the repair stand.
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Old 09-02-20, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger1964 View Post
And what's the fixation on the matte black finish on components? Cheaper, or saves 4.9g over the whole bike, or...???
Raw silver isn't really an option with carbon components, unless you finish them in metal plating, which would be silly. The next obvious generic component color to go with is black. And if a whole bunch of stuff is black, it's easier to match things if everything is black. Mixing silver with other colors is doable, but it's easy to get it wrong and end up with something that looks bad.
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Old 09-02-20, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blamester View Post
I don't use disc but have ridden an mtb and no doubt the braking was superb in fact it would take time to get used to them. And I am thinking of getting a cyclocross frame with discs.
But check out the finish of the Brussels classic race which I mentioned earlier in this thread.
Tell me what's going on there?
I will tell you what is going on, and mention your ignorance of bicycle racing. The noise is set up purposely with disc brakes too allow other riders in the peloton to know when someone is braking without having to verbally communicate their actions.
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Old 09-02-20, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
... it's easy to get it wrong and end up with something that looks bad.
Could they possibly get it so wrong that these bikes could look any worse?
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Old 09-02-20, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by m_sasso View Post
I will tell you what is going on, and mention your ignorance of bicycle racing. The noise is set up purposely with disc brakes too allow other riders in the peloton to know when someone is braking without having to verbally communicate their actions.
I've never heard this argument before - ever. I would have expected this to come up as a counterpoint in at least one of the articles discussing the large number of riders who have spoken against them citing safety issues, but I haven't come across a single reference to that effect.

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Old 09-02-20, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I've never heard this argument before - ever. I would have expected this to come up as a counterpoint in at least one of the articles discussing the large number of riders who have spoken against them citing safety issues, but I haven't come across a single reference to that effect.

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P.S.: Please keep the insults out of C&V. Thank you.
Your ignorance is no justification as to why or why not also. What you may or or may not have heard means little, I suggest you communicate with some race mechanics and not internet tales.
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Old 09-02-20, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by m_sasso View Post
Your ignorance is no justification as to why or why not also. What you may or or may not have heard means little.
Your ambiguity is no justification as to why or why not also. What you say means little if you don't bring anything to the table other than a sharp tongue.

Originally Posted by m_sasso View Post
I suggest you communicate with some race mechanics and not internet tales.
Presumably, you have communicated with race mechanics. Perhaps you could share what you've heard and experiences, instead of being disrespectful to those who aren't in the know?

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BROKEN...before you crash it.

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Could they possibly get it so wrong that these bikes could look any worse?

Um, the Pinarello, for example.
Looks broken before you crash it.


Annnd... the forks are still backwards.
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Old 09-02-20, 07:19 PM
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That oughta simplify life, huh? No need to crash, just to get a cool-looking bike. 🤔😁😉
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Old 09-02-20, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chainwhip View Post
Um, the Pinarello, for example.
Looks broken before you crash it.

Annnd... the forks are still backwards.
It's like they're trying every possible effort to be different and unique without much reason. The whole thing looks like stress risers for the hell of it.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Your ambiguity is no justification as to why or why not also. What you say means little if you don't bring anything to the table other than a sharp tongue.



Presumably, you have communicated with race mechanics. Perhaps you could share what you've heard and experiences related to it before being an ass about it?

-Kurt
And your authority allows you to pass judgment on my direct communication style? Haha, and who is the donkey here?
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Can anyone tell me whether this Look has rear suspension?



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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Can anyone tell me whether this Look has rear suspension?



-Kurt
I can't answer about the rear suspension, but the chain's a bit slack for a track bike, and I think this ones fork is also backwards.
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Originally Posted by chainwhip View Post
I can't answer about the rear suspension, but the chain's a bit slack for a track bike, and I think this ones fork is also backwards.
Nah, it's just bent

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Old 09-02-20, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by m_sasso View Post
I will tell you what is going on, and mention your ignorance of bicycle racing. The noise is set up purposely with disc brakes too allow other riders in the peloton to know when someone is braking without having to verbally communicate their actions.
Right. Just like the Dura Ace 74XX SIS downtube shifters. They were designed to click so loud to alert the other riders that you were attacking.

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What most bikers that have grown up in the CF era see when we show off our beautiful lugged steel:

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Regarding crashworthiness/rider protection, I'm not seeing the reinforced tub protecting the rider. Can someone please point it out?
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Featured: electronic shifting and turning over a 54:11 gear to over 50mph.
My tall bike has a 54/11 top gear and I've had it up to 54.5 MPH :-)

Its crazy they don't run a 10 cog on modern race bikes IMO.

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Old 09-03-20, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by m_sasso View Post
I will tell you what is going on, and mention your ignorance of bicycle racing. The noise is set up purposely with disc brakes too allow other riders in the peloton to know when someone is braking without having to verbally communicate their actions.
​​​​​​Good call. Now if I was racing I would bring a chalk board with me and scrape my finger nails on it to confuse the other racers. They brake and I sail of into the distance. And if they caught up I would do it again and again till they where exhausted by chasing me down and I win every race with no need for a 54/11 sprint gear.
Plus of course the added bonus I set up my brakes to work correctly.
Bye the way how do they make them screech like that.
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Per what I see on Velo News.

I see differences in approach by frame designers. When did we see that with steel? More rare there, I think.

The Bianchi and Madone are hot. I have no issues with pro bike graphics but I resent in a teeny way paying to advertise a bike for the brand. I’m hypocritical that way because I dig my Wraith and want everyone to have one.

They all look fast, and I like fast, even if I am not.

When I look at the ‘20 TdF rides and those on C&V, I see links.

’55 Corvette and the new mid-engine model.
Hank Williams Sr and the BoDeans
Hootie & the Blowfish and the 70’s Methodist hymnal.
A Stearman biplane and the A6 Intruder

It is all relative.
Relatively speaking.
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Did anybody else notice that with all of the crashes so far this year that several of the CF implosions have been quickly removed from the scene ? It was even pointed out by several of the talking heads.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Can anyone tell me whether this Look has rear suspension?



-Kurt
This bike looks like when you sit on it, you're probably in violation of the decency code 38 states.
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