Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

History of Dura Ace

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

History of Dura Ace

Old 09-21-20, 09:13 PM
  #1  
Fahrenheit531 
Must. Find. Shade.
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,866

Bikes: Schwinn Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 691 Post(s)
Liked 429 Times in 228 Posts
History of Dura Ace

I'm sure it's even cooler if you speak Japanese.

__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Old 09-21-20, 09:15 PM
  #2  
Fahrenheit531 
Must. Find. Shade.
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,866

Bikes: Schwinn Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 691 Post(s)
Liked 429 Times in 228 Posts
HAHAHAHA It's like they heard me.


...but I'm gonna say it was cooler in Japanese.
__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Likes For Fahrenheit531:
Old 09-22-20, 03:57 AM
  #3  
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 1,080

Bikes: '50s Leon Cattrysse - late 50s Raleigh Lenton Sports - 1960/61 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta - '84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirr

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 79 Times in 51 Posts
7400 6 speed is still my favorite. Great performance combined with a classic style.
__________________
b dub is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 04:47 AM
  #4  
nomadmax 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 1,855
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 831 Post(s)
Liked 1,111 Times in 560 Posts
I'm not a Shimano fan but if it weren't for them, Campy would still be selling old Super Record with friction shifters as "state of the art". The same way Honda (and the other Japanese MC manufacturers) made Harley Davidson's products more reliable.
nomadmax is offline  
Likes For nomadmax:
Old 09-22-20, 04:53 AM
  #5  
vespasianus
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: In the south but from North
Posts: 339

Bikes: Turner 5-Spot Burner converted; IBIS Ripley, Specialized Crave, Tommasini Sintesi, Cinelli Superstar

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 161 Post(s)
Liked 150 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
I'm not a Shimano fan but if it weren't for them, Campy would still be selling old Super Record with friction shifters as "state of the art". The same way Honda (and the other Japanese MC manufacturers) made Harley Davidson's products more reliable.
Competition is almost always good for the consumer.
vespasianus is offline  
Likes For vespasianus:
Old 09-22-20, 06:48 AM
  #6  
P!N20
Senior Member
 
P!N20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,517
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 670 Post(s)
Liked 809 Times in 443 Posts
Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
I'm not a Shimano fan but if it weren't for them, Campy would still be selling old Super Record with friction shifters as "state of the art".
And that’s a problem because...
P!N20 is offline  
Likes For P!N20:
Old 09-22-20, 07:08 AM
  #7  
embankmentlb
Senior Member
 
embankmentlb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,147

Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked 88 Times in 46 Posts
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
7400 6 speed is still my favorite. Great performance combined with a classic style.
As of recent I have moved away from my 9 speed bikes. I am finding the 6 & 7 speed stuff for 126 is as good or better in many ways.
I find myself shifting one cog at a time instead of 2 and getting the same amount of gears.
There is a point where more cogs are useless.
embankmentlb is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 07:14 AM
  #8  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 21,618
Mentioned: 569 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4034 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,582 Times in 1,137 Posts
They missed a major innovation by not mentioning Hyperglide's ramped and profiled cogs, which were introduced in 1989. I'd put it right up there with SIS and STI in terms of shifting game changers.

Not quite so alarming was the bypassing of their improved dual pivot brake design, which started another industry trend.
T-Mar is offline  
Likes For T-Mar:
Old 09-22-20, 07:17 AM
  #9  
nomadmax 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 1,855
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 831 Post(s)
Liked 1,111 Times in 560 Posts
Where were the Dyna Drive pedals and cranks????
nomadmax is offline  
Likes For nomadmax:
Old 09-22-20, 07:48 AM
  #10  
sheddle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,411

Bikes: my precious steel boys

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 431 Post(s)
Liked 573 Times in 341 Posts
no beauty shots of the Crane? cmon
sheddle is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 07:51 AM
  #11  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 21,618
Mentioned: 569 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4034 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,582 Times in 1,137 Posts
Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
Where were the Dyna Drive pedals and cranks????
To this day, Dyna-Drive is my favourite toe clip and strap system. The pedals were incredibly stable and the easiest of all cup and cone pedals to overhaul. The matching crankset was the stiffest of it's era. Alexi Grewal was sponsored by SunTour but used Shimano Dyna-Drive on his Pinarello to win the 1984 Olympics road race.
T-Mar is offline  
Likes For T-Mar:
Old 09-22-20, 08:02 AM
  #12  
Fahrenheit531 
Must. Find. Shade.
Thread Starter
 
Fahrenheit531's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,866

Bikes: Schwinn Volare ('78); Raleigh Competition GS ('79)

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 691 Post(s)
Liked 429 Times in 228 Posts
Almost as interesting as the changes in the components themselves: the evolution of the logo.
__________________
A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
Fahrenheit531 is offline  
Likes For Fahrenheit531:
Old 09-22-20, 08:02 AM
  #13  
sheddle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,411

Bikes: my precious steel boys

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 431 Post(s)
Liked 573 Times in 341 Posts
It's getting more and more italicized. Experts believe that by 2050 the Dura Ace logo will be an infinitely long straight line.
sheddle is offline  
Likes For sheddle:
Old 09-22-20, 09:27 AM
  #14  
Mr. Spadoni 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 550
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 206 Post(s)
Liked 119 Times in 67 Posts
Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
To this day, Dyna-Drive is my favourite toe clip and strap system. The pedals were incredibly stable and the easiest of all cup and cone pedals to overhaul. The matching crankset was the stiffest of it's era. Alexi Grewal was sponsored by SunTour but used Shimano Dyna-Drive on his Pinarello to win the 1984 Olympics road race.
At some point after Dyna Drive was discontinued, I recall reading the Velo News classified ads( remember them?) and A.G. put out an offer to buy any Dyna Drive pedals and cranks that shops might still have in stock. No idea if he actually found any.
Mr. Spadoni is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 11:39 AM
  #15  
sykerocker 
Senior Member
 
sykerocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ashland, VA
Posts: 4,355

Bikes: The keepers: 1958 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix, 1968 Ranger, 1969 Magneet Sprint, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1973 Raleigh Tourist, 3 - 1986 Rossins, and a '77 PX-10 frame in process.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 151 Times in 91 Posts
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
7400 6 speed is still my favorite. Great performance combined with a classic style.
Still my favorite setup, too. The gruppo that finally put Campagnolo on the scrap heap.
__________________
Syke

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

H.L. Mencken, (1926)

sykerocker is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 02:53 PM
  #16  
jdawginsc 
Edumacator
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 2,333

Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, Faggin Matrix thingy

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 710 Post(s)
Liked 564 Times in 383 Posts
Funny enough, my first foray into Shimano Dura Ace was last year when I bought a lovely gruppo from @Brewsmith, and a ridonculously underpriced set of DA/Mavic MA 40 wheels to match. Smooth. Hubs are glass like, shifting is smooth and crisp... Still love me Campy Ergo-8 stuff though.
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1988 Faggin Matrix with not Matrix tubes, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1982 Rossin Record, 1987 Trek Elance

jdawginsc is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 04:41 PM
  #17  
seedsbelize 
smelling the roses
 
seedsbelize's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tixkokob, Yucatán, México
Posts: 15,428

Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe (coupled), 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7079 Post(s)
Liked 888 Times in 603 Posts
No experience with Dura Ace. And only just now getting ready to build wheels with Campy hubs. I've been an avid cyclist for 50 years. Better late than never.
__________________
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Auto-pause is a honey-tongued devil whispering sweet lies in your ear.


seedsbelize is offline  
Likes For seedsbelize:
Old 09-22-20, 05:35 PM
  #18  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,305

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3018 Post(s)
Liked 1,037 Times in 594 Posts
Originally Posted by sykerocker View Post
Still my favorite setup, too. The gruppo that finally put Campagnolo on the scrap heap.
Campagnolo put themselves on my personal scrap heap with Syncro.
1990 and DA7400; I made the switch and never bought another Campagnolo product. I even trained myself to say "group" vs "gruppo".
DiabloScott is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 05:42 PM
  #19  
P!N20
Senior Member
 
P!N20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,517
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 670 Post(s)
Liked 809 Times in 443 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
I even trained myself to say "group" vs "gruppo".
I think they should have stuck with 'ensemble'.

P!N20 is offline  
Likes For P!N20:
Old 09-22-20, 06:38 PM
  #20  
Wileyone 
Senior Member
 
Wileyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: GWN
Posts: 2,501
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1673 Post(s)
Liked 454 Times in 303 Posts
Dura Ace 7700 the best there ever was.


Last edited by Wileyone; 09-22-20 at 06:44 PM.
Wileyone is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 07:25 PM
  #21  
rosefarts
With a mighty wind
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,826
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 430 Times in 253 Posts
My first was a mixture of DA and Ultegra for 9 speed. I later got a bike with full 10 speed DA. I still think my Campy Chorus 10 speed is smoother.

I actually really like my 6 speed group.

​​​​​​I'd love a bike with AX if I found one.
rosefarts is offline  
Old 09-22-20, 09:12 PM
  #22  
Bad Lag
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: So Cal, for now
Posts: 1,464

Bikes: 1975 Bob Jackson - Nuovo Record, Brooks Pro, Clips & Straps

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 548 Post(s)
Liked 155 Times in 98 Posts
Heck, I'm still using Nuovo Record components.

Shimano's ever-evolving componentry is a blessing and a curse. Innovation is good but when you cannot get spare parts for something only a few years old,...

BTW, I bought a set of DURA-ACE brakes when they first came out, maybe 1973. I still have them but no longer use them.
Bad Lag is offline  
Old 09-23-20, 08:15 AM
  #23  
sheddle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,411

Bikes: my precious steel boys

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 431 Post(s)
Liked 573 Times in 341 Posts
Originally Posted by P!N20 View Post
I think they should have stuck with 'ensemble'.

i think i've heard "combo" used in Japanese which I always kind of liked
sheddle is offline  
Likes For sheddle:
Old 09-23-20, 08:18 AM
  #24  
sheddle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,411

Bikes: my precious steel boys

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 431 Post(s)
Liked 573 Times in 341 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Campagnolo put themselves on my personal scrap heap with Syncro.
1990 and DA7400; I made the switch and never bought another Campagnolo product. I even trained myself to say "group" vs "gruppo".
I start to like Campy more once 10-speed hits. God, it's scary that the RD-00 is arguably C+V now...
sheddle is offline  
Old 09-23-20, 02:39 PM
  #25  
sykerocker 
Senior Member
 
sykerocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ashland, VA
Posts: 4,355

Bikes: The keepers: 1958 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix, 1968 Ranger, 1969 Magneet Sprint, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1973 Raleigh Tourist, 3 - 1986 Rossins, and a '77 PX-10 frame in process.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Liked 151 Times in 91 Posts
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Campagnolo put themselves on my personal scrap heap with Syncro.
1990 and DA7400; I made the switch and never bought another Campagnolo product. I even trained myself to say "group" vs "gruppo".
I got disillusioned with Campagnolo back in 1974, when I virtually sold my girlfriend on the street to buy an all-Campagnolo Gitane Professional Super Corsa . . . . . and after riding a buddy's bike, realized I should have saved a hell of a lot of money and bought the Tour de France instead. Campy has always been overrated in my book. I finally built my latest Rossin last year with Nuevo Record (because the frame came with a Campagnolo sticker on it), and it was every bit as mediocre as I remember. My other two are 7400 Dura Ace and Tricolor 600, and I prefer them completely. And a Tour de France is my second oldest bike in the stable.
__________________
Syke

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

H.L. Mencken, (1926)

sykerocker is offline  
Likes For sykerocker:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.