Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

new campy gravel group 1x13 9x36

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

new campy gravel group 1x13 9x36

Old 09-24-20, 11:10 AM
  #1  
squirtdad
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
squirtdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Posts: 7,336

Bikes: 85 team Miyata (modern 5800 105) , '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) '82 nishiski,

Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1285 Post(s)
Liked 532 Times in 381 Posts
new campy gravel group 1x13 9x36

may be of interest....is is campy

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campa...tters_17479793
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
squirtdad is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 12:23 PM
  #2  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,571
Mentioned: 144 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2100 Post(s)
Liked 1,140 Times in 539 Posts
Not silver.

I was hoping.

iab is offline  
Likes For iab:
Old 09-24-20, 12:50 PM
  #3  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 39,713

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 482 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6776 Post(s)
Liked 1,375 Times in 883 Posts
"Without compromise." Well, I'd say a 9-tooth cog presents compromise, but it might not prevent me from using it. I look forward to reviews of this stuff. In general, I like it.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 01:51 PM
  #4  
shoota 
Senior Member
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,230
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1419 Post(s)
Liked 251 Times in 187 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider View Post
"Without compromise." Well, I'd say a 9-tooth cog presents compromise, but it might not prevent me from using it. I look forward to reviews of this stuff. In general, I like it.
What's the compromise?
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 02:04 PM
  #5  
wgscott
Occam's Rotor
 
wgscott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 6,876
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 1,964 Times in 974 Posts
Looks fragilé.
wgscott is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 02:06 PM
  #6  
bOsscO
bOsscO
 
bOsscO's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 414

Bikes: 2015 Norco Search S1, 2012 Cervelo R5, 93 Mongoose IBOC COMP

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked 184 Times in 109 Posts
So following in Rotor's footsteps? From February; https://www.bikeradar.com/features/r...specs-details/
bOsscO is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 02:29 PM
  #7  
gugie 
Dilberteur at large
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,931

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 980 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3109 Post(s)
Liked 1,248 Times in 653 Posts
I thought it would end at 10, then 11, 12...

__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
gugie is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 02:50 PM
  #8  
Salamandrine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,287

Bikes: 78 Masi Criterium, 68 PX10, 2016 Mercian King of Mercia, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2310 Post(s)
Liked 556 Times in 400 Posts
I thought everyone would just skip over 13, and go straight to 14, like with elevators.

It looks like an elephant trying to ride a bicycle. What are they thinking.
Salamandrine is offline  
Likes For Salamandrine:
Old 09-24-20, 03:49 PM
  #9  
RiddleOfSteel
Master Parts Rearranger
 
RiddleOfSteel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,629

Bikes: 1985 Trek 620 - 25.5"

Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1184 Post(s)
Liked 689 Times in 418 Posts
The person who can figure out a workable CVT-esque infinite ratio drivetrain that can take pro-level wattage will do very well for themselves. I know an IGH unit that is infinitely variable, but it's not for mashers, at least from what I read a couple of years ago.

It's another gravel groupset that isn't particularly pretty and has the massive (relatively) fluid reservoirs in the shifters, making them still as ungainly as ever. It's a functional look, and it's fine on that level but man, we groupsets need to be pretty again.

A 110/74 BCD triple crankset set up to be a 36/30 or 36/28 double, employing an 11-36T cassette, will have lower gearing than the "Adventure" gearing of a 38-44T low combo. The "Race" gearing is basically 1x road gearing without the aesthetic dignity of a large ring.
RiddleOfSteel is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 04:13 PM
  #10  
79pmooney
A Roadie Forever
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 9,275

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 102 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2717 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,183 Times in 810 Posts
Originally Posted by gugie View Post
I thought it would end at 10, then 11, 12...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4
I'm going to wait on 1X until they get to 17 and I can have my usual gaps. Only 4 more cogs to go.

Isn't there a law, like the computer memory doubling very so many years that applies to cogs?

Just for fun, does anyone have the dates of the start of the next cog? I just make a graph of year-cog number from 1900 to present. When as the 1st 2-speed derailleur, 3-speed FW? Etc. I'll toss them in the graph and see if I can derive the law.
79pmooney is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 05:38 PM
  #11  
gugie 
Dilberteur at large
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,931

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 980 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3109 Post(s)
Liked 1,248 Times in 653 Posts
Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
I'm going to wait on 1X until they get to 17 and I can have my usual gaps. Only 4 more cogs to go.

Isn't there a law, like the computer memory doubling very so many years that applies to cogs?

Just for fun, does anyone have the dates of the start of the next cog? I just make a graph of year-cog number from 1900 to present. When as the 1st 2-speed derailleur, 3-speed FW? Etc. I'll toss them in the graph and see if I can derive the law.
Good point, there must be a Moore's Law for cogs.. @Andy_K is Chief Potato Overlord over at Intel, perhaps he can elucidate.
__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
gugie is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 05:44 PM
  #12  
tricky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Upper Left, USA
Posts: 1,469
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 436 Post(s)
Liked 187 Times in 134 Posts
Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
The person who can figure out a workable CVT-esque infinite ratio drivetrain that can take pro-level wattage will do very well for themselves. I know an IGH unit that is infinitely variable, but it's not for mashers, at least from what I read a couple of years ago.

It's another gravel groupset that isn't particularly pretty and has the massive (relatively) fluid reservoirs in the shifters, making them still as ungainly as ever. It's a functional look, and it's fine on that level but man, we groupsets need to be pretty again.

A 110/74 BCD triple crankset set up to be a 36/30 or 36/28 double, employing an 11-36T cassette, will have lower gearing than the "Adventure" gearing of a 38-44T low combo. The "Race" gearing is basically 1x road gearing without the aesthetic dignity of a large ring.
I can mostly get over the levers. They look prettier than the Shimano and Sram equivalents, but eesh, that rear derailleur. I've seen microshift ders that look better. That might be the ugliest Campy part I've seen and that includes the plastic entry level grouppos from a while back.
tricky is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 06:06 PM
  #13  
RobbieTunes
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,369 Times in 883 Posts
There’s math.
No one said there’d be math.

13 is unsafe for so many reasons.
You have to look down twice as long to guess your gear.
The fingers go to ten, the extra one is a risk now with 11.
I’m already skipping cogs.
The whole 13 thing...

Just another waypoint en route to all 1x all the time.
I love mine but a Cat 4 climb last Saturday, 21% at 98 miles in: a double bailed me out or I’d have fallen over.

While a compact crank with 11-32 is getting me by across the board, a 52/36 with 12-36, a Roadlink and a clutched RD. may be my huckleberry.

That’s just the gearing thing. I still can’t wrap my head around brake fluid on a bike.

Last edited by RobbieTunes; 09-24-20 at 08:26 PM.
RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 06:09 PM
  #14  
RiddleOfSteel
Master Parts Rearranger
 
RiddleOfSteel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,629

Bikes: 1985 Trek 620 - 25.5"

Mentioned: 193 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1184 Post(s)
Liked 689 Times in 418 Posts
Originally Posted by tricky View Post
I can mostly get over the levers. They look prettier than the Shimano and Sram equivalents, but eesh, that rear derailleur. I've seen microshift ders that look better. That might be the ugliest Campy part I've seen and that includes the plastic entry level grouppos from a while back.
The road ones are a little better, but that may be because they are EPS (well, the ones I see in the Tour). Shimano's Dura-Ace and Ultegra mechanic shift, hydraulic brake units are hideous. It's like, I gotta pay all this money and it still looks no better than a gen one RS505? The RS505 is the "I can't even" of shift lever design. How that got past the first sketch review is beyond me. Naturally, the only way to go hydraulic for Shimano and get decent looks is Di2.

Re: Microshift. Yeah, if one of the big three design something that looks like it came from them, that isn't a good thing, IMO. The offset dual jockey wheel look is all MTB and all super-mech-warrior-5000. I take that back. Shimano's XTR M9100 looks like that, but in a nutty, cool way.

For now though, I will cut the grousing. I don't need to do any more!
RiddleOfSteel is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 06:56 PM
  #15  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 12,860

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 350 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2104 Post(s)
Liked 689 Times in 364 Posts
Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Good point, there must be a Moore's Law for cogs.. @Andy_K is Chief Potato Overlord over at Intel, perhaps he can elucidate.
I think it's more of a supply-and-demand kind of curve. Whenever sales go down, the number of cogs goes up.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is online now  
Old 09-24-20, 07:07 PM
  #16  
dunkleosteus
on the wheels of steel
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: the LBC
Posts: 55

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked 32 Times in 14 Posts
Someone set this up with a triple and grab the high score for number of gears!
dunkleosteus is offline  
Likes For dunkleosteus:
Old 09-24-20, 07:08 PM
  #17  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 15,304
Mentioned: 102 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1668 Post(s)
Liked 573 Times in 449 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
There’s math.
No one said there’d be math.

13 is unsafe for so many reasons.

You have to look down twice as long to guess your gear.
The fingers go to ten, the extra one is a risk now with 11. I’m already skipping cogs.
The whole 13 thing...

Just another waypoint en route to all 1x all the time. I love mine but a Cat 4 climb last Saturday, 21% at 98 miles in: a double bailed me out or I’d have fallen over.

While a compact crank with 11-32 is getting me by across the board, a 52/36 with 12-36, a Roadlink and a clutched RD. may be my huckleberry.

That’s just the gearing thing. I still can’t wrap my head around brake fluid on a bike.
Spinal Tap generation. 11 is enough.
this ensemble is interesting. I agree the aesthetics are subordinate.
When Valentino took over aesthetics ruled and Campagnolo almost failed.
Experience provides lessons.
repechage is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 07:17 PM
  #18  
sykerocker 
Senior Member
 
sykerocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ashland, VA
Posts: 4,347

Bikes: The keepers: 1958 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix, 1968 Ranger, 1969 Magneet Sprint, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1973 Raleigh Tourist, 3 - 1986 Rossins, and a '77 PX-10 frame in process.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 199 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times in 88 Posts
Yet one more reason why my entire collection ranges from 4-7 speed rear clusters. Because I don't need anything more, won't get any better performance with more gear choices, and there's just something marketingly disgusting about them.

It also shows how I've dropped out of the market again. My most modern bike owned was 9x2 Ultegra. I knew 10 was around, had heard something about 11 . . . . . . . . . . never even heard about 12 and this isn't the first 13?

Tomorrow morning I'm riding the '72 Raleigh Grand Prix. A. Real. Bicycle.
__________________
Syke

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

H.L. Mencken, (1926)

sykerocker is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 07:17 PM
  #19  
BFisher 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,440
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 425 Post(s)
Liked 839 Times in 425 Posts
I think nine is more than enough, personally. I don't know what can't be done with nine. There's this thing called a motorcycle...

How narrow are chains gonna get?
BFisher is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 07:20 PM
  #20  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 13,957
Mentioned: 323 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2053 Post(s)
Liked 1,409 Times in 768 Posts
You all realize that it's 13 total gears, right? And that the touring bikes of old with 5-speed blocks and triple cranks had more total gears (though not necessarily more range; if I'm doing the math right, 3 x 5 = 15, but I'm a mere English teacher, so someone check my work)?
nlerner is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 07:32 PM
  #21  
Erzulis Boat
3rd Grade Dropout
 
Erzulis Boat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Santa Barbara Calif.
Posts: 1,271
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 149 Post(s)
Liked 77 Times in 37 Posts
Originally Posted by shoota View Post
What's the compromise?
Accelerated wear in multiple departments. If chains are kept clean and lubricated, and replaced with absolute regularity, then it will be tolerable.

The element (gravel) that the groupset is designed to function in will also impart more wear just to dust/debris/wet etc.

My XC racer running a 1X with narrow chain and the commonly used smallest cog needs extra attention in relation to the drivetrain.

Not to worry though.......................2X will make a comeback!

ETA- I always have a spare rear cassette on hand, as they wear out pretty fast.
Erzulis Boat is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 08:59 PM
  #22  
Russ Roth
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 1,403

Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 511 Post(s)
Liked 359 Times in 279 Posts
Originally Posted by dunkleosteus View Post
Someone set this up with a triple and grab the high score for number of gears!
Not even close. There was a bike at the first shop I worked in that had a sram 3sp internal hub with 9sp cassette freehub body, had some sort of 2sp internal bb and a triple crank. High gear was so high that at 240lb I could stand on one crank arm and the arm would barely move, one rotation of the crank equated to 7 turns of the wheel while on the easy side 7 spins of the crank didn't quite turn the wheel one full revolution. The bike wasn't really anything useful but it was fun to mess around with.
Russ Roth is offline  
Likes For Russ Roth:
Old 09-24-20, 09:03 PM
  #23  
dunkleosteus
on the wheels of steel
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: the LBC
Posts: 55

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked 32 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Russ Roth View Post
Not even close. There was a bike at the first shop I worked in that had a sram 3sp internal hub with 9sp cassette freehub body, had some sort of 2sp internal bb and a triple crank. High gear was so high that at 240lb I could stand on one crank arm and the arm would barely move, one rotation of the crank equated to 7 turns of the wheel while on the easy side 7 spins of the crank didn't quite turn the wheel one full revolution. The bike wasn't really anything useful but it was fun to mess around with.
That's amazing LOL. So there were four shifters on the bars?
dunkleosteus is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 09:09 PM
  #24  
ofajen
Cheerfully low end
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 615
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 178 Post(s)
Liked 256 Times in 167 Posts
I guess it’s progress moving from colossally abundant to sexy prime?

Whatever, I’m riding 1x1 these days which is neither.

Otto
ofajen is offline  
Old 09-24-20, 09:15 PM
  #25  
Salamandrine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,287

Bikes: 78 Masi Criterium, 68 PX10, 2016 Mercian King of Mercia, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2310 Post(s)
Liked 556 Times in 400 Posts
Tell me again, why is 1X supposed to be better??

I don't see the logic. I can kind of understand if for mountain bikes. For me, a gravel bike is a bike you can ride on the road for 30 miles, then ride on fire trails for another 20 miles, and then road again, etc. For that, if anything you want more range. 3x would seem to me to be more sensible. Never had a problem with Campy NR in ye olden days.
Salamandrine is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.