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Old 10-03-20, 12:47 PM
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Late 50's Peugeot PHX10, the blue and yellow one

So this popped up in my area yesterday and after some negotiation with the seller, who knew nothing about the bike and wanted it out of his basement, I made the drive and picked it up this morning. I'm guessing it's a late 50's Peugeot PHX10 - I'm thinking 1958, given that it has Reynolds tubing but also has the Simplex push-rod front derailleur, but I'm not exactly sure. It's mostly all original - from what I can tell, it's missing the original wheels, one (!?!) Beborex brake caliper and lever, Ideale saddle, and handlebars/stem. I'm not sure what I'll do about the brakes, as I'd like to put a matching set on the bike - I have an early 1970s Gitane TdF that I could pillage for parts, but I'm open to other options. Would Mafac Competition centerpulls look out of place? Heck I could put the entire front TdF cockpit (Pivo stem, Mafac levers, etc). on this to get it rideable. I just think coming across another Beborex caliper/lever is going to be a real long shot.
Since I already have a Campy Record high flange front hub, maybe I'll do the same for the rear and buy a rear Record hub and lace up a pair of clinchers for it. I've never built a set of wheels before, so this is my chance, right?
Anyways, the plan is to give it a deep cleaning and make it rideable, and maybe find a spot in the house to hang it on the wall. I dunno, if you can't tell, I'm still kinda stunned about it now and my thoughts are all akimbo. I'm just glad the original drivetrain is there, there aren't any dents, and it's my size. I've always wanted a PX10 - the white/black one - and never thought I'd find something like this.
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Serial number: 439993
What would the original wheel set have been?
Original bars and stem?
Anyone holding a Follis Beborex brake lever and caliper they want to sell?



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Wonderful find and thank you for sharing it with the forum.

The 5-4-3 alone is likely worth a house payment.

You could probably find all of the bits needed through the Classic Rendezvous email list.

The ivory coloured plastic knob on the Simplex Competition front mech did not nominally launch until 1960. Earlier examples came with an acorn shaped knob of aluminum.

Original hubs my have been something such as Prior.

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I love it! If you ever want to “get that out of your basement” there’s room in mine.
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eBay.fr is your friend! It’s worth the hassle! The French guys on Tontonvelo and the Velo Gogo forums are just as bikers for old bikes as we are and I bet they would help!
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Wonderful find and thank you for sharing it with the forum.

The 5-4-3 alone is likely worth a house payment.

You could probably find all of the bits needed through the Classic Rendezvous email list.

The ivory coloured plastic knob on the Simplex Competition front mech did not nominally launch until 1960. Earlier examples came with an acorn shaped knob of aluminum.

Original hubs my have been something such as Prior.

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Thank you for pointing out the shifter to help date the bike. I will go bother the CR crowd next.

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I love it! If you ever want to “get that out of your basement” there’s room in mine.
Haha, you bet!

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eBay.fr is your friend! It’s worth the hassle! The French guys on Tontonvelo and the Velo Gogo forums are just as bikers for old bikes as we are and I bet they would help!
Ok, cool, thanks for the encouragement. If I can source another brake, I'd feel better about it. I'm most of the way there, but I want the bike to be rideable for me too - no tubulars for this guy!
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Beautiful, and just my size.
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My first guess would be late 1950s model, there are some people on Tonton velo who might be able to narrow down the year via the serial number.
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Nice find.

Mafac Competition are much later. You should look for Dural Forge IMO.

You are indeed living up to your handle...friendofpugs. LOL
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I think @Sixty Fiver had a very similar one but his pics have gone offline unfortunately.
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That is my grail bike. Seriously. But I beg you - get rid of the yellow bar tape, please.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
That is my grail bike. Seriously. But I beg you - get rid of the yellow bar tape, please.
Personally, I would lean towards yellow-gold Tressostar, but yeah - the modern stuff doesn't fit.
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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
Wow.
Thanks!

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My first guess would be late 1950s model, there are some people on Tonton velo who might be able to narrow down the year via the serial number.
I think it is late 50s too but I have no expertise in the area. I joined TonTon Velo and posted some pictures and the serial number - which is 439993 by the way.

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Nice find.

Mafac Competition are much later. You should look for Dural Forge IMO.

You are indeed living up to your handle...friendofpugs. LOL
I think Mafac Racers would be appropriate too. It looks like the early 60s ones came with Racers.
And I didn't even think about my username - lol - that sure is funny.

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I think @Sixty Fiver had a very similar one but his pics have gone offline unfortunately.
Thank you, I might bug him with some questions when I have some.

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That is my grail bike. Seriously. But I beg you - get rid of the yellow bar tape, please.
You got it Randy, I pulled the yellow tape off pronto. I find it amazing that this model would be your grail, given your wonderful Legnano and Rab that you have in your now modest collection. It is a neat bicycle for sure and I hope to preserve it well.
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was slightly surprised to see this chainset on this model for this date

would have expected a Verot 57

so went to bikeboompeugeot to look at their catalogue archive

here is a page from the 1959 french market brochure, unfortunately image too fuzzy to tell a great deal and text does not mention chainset model

one thing found interesting about the machine in the illustration is that it wears Juy model L.J. 23 cable operated front mech

pedals appear to be Lyotard 460D rather than the 23's of subject machine






the archive does not hold a catalogue/brochure for the 1960 year specifically, but rather gives a date of "1960-1962" for this brochure

here is the listing for the PX-10 model in it, shown wearing a Verot 57 chainset and again a model L.J. 23 front mech, and now with MAFAC centrepull arrestors in place of the Bebo sidepulls




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Also what's weird is that I posted about this same model for sale in the area in the CL/Ebay thread two years ago - eBay / CraigsList finds - "Are you looking for one of these!?" Part II
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Beautiful bike and great score. I'd love to find a road bike from the 50s like this.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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was slightly surprised to see this chainset on this model for this date

would have expected a Verot 57

so went to bikeboompeugeot to look at their catalogue archive

here is a page from the 1959 french market brochure, unfortunately image too fuzzy to tell a great deal and text does not mention chainset model

one thing found interesting about the machine in the illustration is that it wears Juy model L.J. 23 cable operated front mech

pedals appear to be Lyotard 460D rather than the 23's of subject machine






the archive does not hold a catalogue/brochure for the 1960 year specifically, but rather gives a date of "1960-1962" for this brochure

here is the listing for the PX-10 model in it, shown wearing a Verot 57 chainset and again a model L.J. 23 front mech, and now with MAFAC centrepull arrestors in place of the Bebo sidepulls




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Thank you very much Juvela for your much appreciated detective work (and, I might add, for your many valuable contributions to C&V land, I can think of no one else who can chime in with the correct lug set off the top of their head!).
I would like to pin the year down as close as I can, and I am in no way personally tied to a 1958 date. The 1959/1960 machines have top tube cable clips and the cable actuated Simplex FD whereas this bike still has the two top tube braze on cable guides and the push rod FD. The 1958 catalog image seems to have all these features plus the Reynolds tubing.



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Beautiful bike and great score. I'd love to find a road bike from the 50s like this.
Thanks Miguel, it was a bit of a "Hail Mary" effort to buy this. My friend sent me the link to the sale about an hour after it was posted for $50 (!!!). I replied to the listing and offered double that. The seller responded by saying someone was coming in an hour to purchase, but if they flaked on him he'd take my offer. I then doubled my offer and wonder of wonders, the first buyer balked at matching it and the seller went with me.
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Thanks Miguel, it was a bit of a "Hail Mary" effort to buy this. My friend sent me the link to the sale about an hour after it was posted for $50 (!!!). I replied to the listing and offered double that. The seller responded by saying someone was coming in an hour to purchase, but if they flaked on him he'd take my offer. I then doubled my offer and wonder of wonders, the first buyer balked at matching it and the seller went with me.
Cool, that's how I ended up with my 1960ish Olmo Grand Sport. I had to up my original offer as well because of some competition. Plus the seller liked that it was going to someone who actually knew what it was and how to fix it up properly.
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Cool, that's how I ended up with my 1960ish Olmo Grand Sport. I had to up my original offer as well because of some competition. Plus the seller liked that it was going to someone who actually knew what it was and how to fix it up properly.
Very cool. I've had this approach fall on deaf ears before too, with the ever scrupulous "I'm going with my first responder even though I underpriced the bike" seller. I sort've hated to be "that guy" with the Pug, but really, you know as well as I do - when are going to see another one of these old bikes for sale, locally, in your size?
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I think @Sixty Fiver had a very similar one but his pics have gone offline unfortunately.
Sixty_fiver did not have one of these. It was about the same age, but I think his had cantilevers.

I do have one of these and I cannot differentiate anything between mine and yours, other than yours is more original. I found some catalogs online and dated mine to around mid-1950's by the FD mounting, which was not a clamp-on system.

Good luck with the rebuild!
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Sixty_fiver did not have one of these. It was about the same age, but I think his had cantilevers.

I do have one of these and I cannot differentiate anything between mine and yours, other than yours is more original. I found some catalogs online and dated mine to around mid-1950's by the FD mounting, which was not a clamp-on system.

Good luck with the rebuild!
You're right, I found a thread and it's identified as a PLX8. Similar colour scheme.
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Amazing find!
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You got it Randy, I pulled the yellow tape off pronto. I find it amazing that this model would be your grail, given your wonderful Legnano and Rab that you have in your now modest collection. It is a neat bicycle for sure and I hope to preserve it well.
In my book, the Peugeot PX10's appearance just works and the X10 ride quality is just fine, competing without difficulty with just about anything that I have owned and ridden. Two X10s have come my way and in my second favorite livery...


The blue yellow combination, like the OP's, is my number one favorite livery (even though the bike does not have chrome lugs).

But the Rab is pretty nice now that I have figured out the shifter issue (Campy barcons now).
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@CV-6 said "You should look for Dural Forge IMO."

@friendofpugs replied "I think Mafac Racers would be appropriate too."

Two names for the same thing. Or more accurately, there was never a brake named Dural Forge, it's just that early Racers didn't have the name Racer emblazoned on them, it just said Dural Forge. Which of course is just telling us that they are forged, out of dural, an aluminum alloy.

They used the Dural Forge stamping on other brakes too -- Tiger comes to mind, but there may have been other models too. Eventually they started stamping them with Racer, but the model name was Racer all along. When we say Dural Forge, what we really mean is Racers that are old enough to not be stamped Racer.

Apologies if everyone here already knew that and I'm belaboring the point!

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