Got a Gravel bike on a C&V frame?
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To prove your point, here's a pic from our good buddy @Drillium Dude on the Ironhorse Trail heading east from North Bend, Washington. He's riding 25mm sewups, picture taken with no hands while riding


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This is my go-to bike for gravel (and almost all other riding, too) - Peugeot PVN-10 with 38x650b Panaracer GravelKing slicks.
First image is for show, second is from the "go" department.
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Yeah, gravel is local.
Eastern Washington, out in the Palouse ( ride graciously organized by @scozim) we rode some actual gravel. I'm on 33 1/3"s, I think we had as narrow as 28's on this stuff, rideable just fine if you were a bit careful. That's @rccardr up front, as usual - Doc, you riding 28's that day?

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Eastern Washington, out in the Palouse ( ride graciously organized by @scozim) we rode some actual gravel. I'm on 33 1/3"s, I think we had as narrow as 28's on this stuff, rideable just fine if you were a bit careful. That's @rccardr up front, as usual - Doc, you riding 28's that day?

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As someone who lives in the dirt road mecca of Vermont, most if not all of my bikes, aside from the dedicated mountain bikes, are equipped with dirt roads in mind. The beauty of our surrounding terrain here in Central Vermont, and probably across New England, is we have a huge diversity of road-types to choose from. In particular we have these great stretches of "Class 4" or "Ancient" roads that are typically seasonal and receive little if any maintenance. Often these roads are shared with ATV's and dirt bikes. One thing I love about the bike hobby is building up bikes that strike just the right compromise between paved cruising and more gnarly backroads stuff. Instead of picking the right bike for a particular ride, often I lead with the bike choice, and then think about what ride suits it best. Here are some examples, all bikes I've acquired or built this year, going from less to most burly. None of these bikes, all parts included, cost me more than $300, or $3k/10, the figure cited by the original poster. Keeping costs low is part of the fun!

This 1982 Bill Vetter (made right here in Vermont) is currently running 700 x 28 Paselas, adequate for many of Vermont's dirt roads. I swapped out the drivetrain with the Mighty Tour crankset, wide-range freewheel, and Suntour long cage rear derailleur, very helpful for hitting the "gaps" that make Vermont riding so much fun.

This late 70's Raleigh Competition G.S. is running with 700x32 WTB All Terrain tires that strike a nice balance for road and gravel. This bike can manage some mild "Class 4" roads, but if it gets too steep and/or rocky, I'm walking.

And my latest build, not yet complete, takes a mountain bike in the other direction. This is an early 90's Stumpjumper that I've done a from-the-ground-up rebuild. The beauty of this bike, with the nice wide 26" Schwalbe Smart Sams, is that it genuinely feels like it can do anything. I'm comfortable on this bike on genuine singletrack, and cruising home on the pavement is better than bearable. It is a common sentiment on this forum - older steel mountain bikes make awesome starting points.

This 1982 Bill Vetter (made right here in Vermont) is currently running 700 x 28 Paselas, adequate for many of Vermont's dirt roads. I swapped out the drivetrain with the Mighty Tour crankset, wide-range freewheel, and Suntour long cage rear derailleur, very helpful for hitting the "gaps" that make Vermont riding so much fun.

This late 70's Raleigh Competition G.S. is running with 700x32 WTB All Terrain tires that strike a nice balance for road and gravel. This bike can manage some mild "Class 4" roads, but if it gets too steep and/or rocky, I'm walking.

And my latest build, not yet complete, takes a mountain bike in the other direction. This is an early 90's Stumpjumper that I've done a from-the-ground-up rebuild. The beauty of this bike, with the nice wide 26" Schwalbe Smart Sams, is that it genuinely feels like it can do anything. I'm comfortable on this bike on genuine singletrack, and cruising home on the pavement is better than bearable. It is a common sentiment on this forum - older steel mountain bikes make awesome starting points.
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1995 Orange C16R 26er MTB drop bar gravel hack
26 x 35c Schwalbe CX Pro tyres for a bit of fast gravel action...26 x 32c Continental Contact Speed when I want to go ride the black top. I've got a hard tail MTB and a couple of road bikes...don't really need the 26er...but I've had the frame from new and I hated seeing it sat there doing nothing.
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Two bikes designated as gravel in my stable:
Lejeune ca1974 which now runs 32mm Gravelkings (measure 30mm)
Katy Machens 23 mi 2 res by L Travers, on Flickr
My faux Sauvage Lejeune running 36mm Grand Bois
Dirty Bike by L Travers, on Flickr
Lejeune ca1974 which now runs 32mm Gravelkings (measure 30mm)

My faux Sauvage Lejeune running 36mm Grand Bois

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Early 90s hybrids are a great way to start. Low cost and you can figure out what you like or dislike then go from there once you know more.
Univega Via line, Schwinn Crosscut, Schwinn Crisscross, Trek 730, Trek 750, Miyata TripleCross, etc etc. All are 700c, readily accept modern drivetrains, can handle wide tires, and are relatively inexpensive to convert.
Univega Via line, Schwinn Crosscut, Schwinn Crisscross, Trek 730, Trek 750, Miyata TripleCross, etc etc. All are 700c, readily accept modern drivetrains, can handle wide tires, and are relatively inexpensive to convert.
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I was wondering this the other day. I don't really know much about the designation of "gravel bike" but I was riding my Trek 750 on some mixed paved roads the other day and wondered if the Trek MultiTrack fit the bill for a gravel bike. I have 700x32 Continental Gatorskins on mine and it handled gravel and paved roads nicely.
Works fine for his riding.

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My "gravel" bike. 1988 Univega Alpina Uno w/ drops. Just upgraded the tires to the 26 inch Simworks Homage last week. Did 90 miles on them yesterday with roughly 1/3 of that being gravel.





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Something I've ridden on gravel.

A 1972/73 Colnago Super.
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Here is my early 70s Cilo with 32mm tubulars. This bike wears a lot of different hats (commuter, Eroica bike, gravel bike, grocery-getter, etc.)

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Late 90's Bianchi Boardwalk I have been working on the past few days. I had written the frame off a long time ago as "too small", and I still wish I had a little more head tube and less stem and seat tube showing. But these are extremely long bikes, this one has a 22 1/2" top tube.
It came originally with a short upright stem and riser bars. I hope I'm not pushing the engineering on this thing too much by converting it to drop bars. All in all a fun bike, I have some very tough (but heavy) Conti City Rides in 38. I wasn't expecting any flats but got two right off the bat from an inner tube with a defective seam.
Still need to clean it up some more and give it a final shakedown ride.

It came originally with a short upright stem and riser bars. I hope I'm not pushing the engineering on this thing too much by converting it to drop bars. All in all a fun bike, I have some very tough (but heavy) Conti City Rides in 38. I wasn't expecting any flats but got two right off the bat from an inner tube with a defective seam.
Still need to clean it up some more and give it a final shakedown ride.


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This is a Cannondale touring bike I fixed up for my wife to ride on rail trails. Converted to 10 speed with a 46X34 crank and mini-vs to replace the cantis. 38mm Gravelking on the front, 32mm was the largest that would fit the rear. She didn't use it so I sold it in a fit of housekeeping last Spring. I figure I only lost about $300 on it since some stuff came from the parts bin.


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I'm not really sure I buy into the whole gravel bike craze but it sure is popular these days and seems like anyone on road bikes are changing over to gravel bikes. I just can't imagine spending another 3 grand on a road bike with a thicker wheel and tire to ride around on crush gravel paths? If you had a nice, carbon mountain bike, wouldn't you just take that out to ride with your gravel bike friends? Will they eventually put suspension on gravel bikes to hit some trails?
I'm thinking you could take a nice steel frame, road or mountain bike and turn it into a decent gravel bike for a lot less than 3 grand so show me what you got.
I'm thinking you could take a nice steel frame, road or mountain bike and turn it into a decent gravel bike for a lot less than 3 grand so show me what you got.
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Marketing pretty well sums it up, in the US, the 18 to 34 year old group is declining as a proportion of our population, fewer people are participating in most outdoor activities, as such sale are down, the industry needs a way to stimulate sales, so come up with "gravel bikes" , similar to the way fat biking gave birth to "adventure biking"

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Is this gravel?

I think we'd all agree that this is gravel, and wider tires may have kept me upright:

Dirt roads on 700 x 32s


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OK, this bike is not C&V, but it is lugged steel at least. Somewhere I have pictures of my Mercian KOM on gravel roads too. The pictures of my Masi on gravel roads AFAIK only exist in my head, but it's been on many.
I would call this road dirt. This is the old Big Sur road BTW.

I would call this road dirt. This is the old Big Sur road BTW.


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Yeah, a bike you ride on gravel is a...
Maybe so. As a young man with limited resources (and limited experience) I rode sewups on miles of unpaved Vermont roads. Sat up late some nights sewing. I've taken my Merican Pro with 23s on very chunky stone paths and a bit of dirt. Not ideal but I survived. The opportunity to transform early '70s 531 Carlton Raleighs to all-roads bikes has yielded great results. Over time I landed on modern drivetrain (2x10 compact crankset + brifters), old brakes, 700 x 35 is as big as I can fit without dimpling stays or going to 650. Racks, bags, fenders and most recently, a Brooks Flyer Imperial and I have been in dirt heaven.

So shiny!

This was the good part of this road.

Local man plays in dirt.

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Maybe so. As a young man with limited resources (and limited experience) I rode sewups on miles of unpaved Vermont roads. Sat up late some nights sewing. I've taken my Merican Pro with 23s on very chunky stone paths and a bit of dirt. Not ideal but I survived. The opportunity to transform early '70s 531 Carlton Raleighs to all-roads bikes has yielded great results. Over time I landed on modern drivetrain (2x10 compact crankset + brifters), old brakes, 700 x 35 is as big as I can fit without dimpling stays or going to 650. Racks, bags, fenders and most recently, a Brooks Flyer Imperial and I have been in dirt heaven.

So shiny!

This was the good part of this road.

Local man plays in dirt.

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Nishiki Cresta works well

Maitai Dam, Nelson, NZ
Did have 27 inch wheels, once I got the brakes sorted out post popping a rear tyre with brake pad, duh...the old 700c wheelset fits into frame nicely with 38mm tyres (as you can see, now mis-matched). I like those wide flared bars. The triple pulley RD works and the triple crank delivers good range. It goes quite fast and am in two minds about changing out flat pedals after removing some shin skin when chasing an e-bike for entertainment. I believe the Cresta was designed to be a tourer. Tremendous fun on New Zealand back roads.
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Marketing pretty well sums it up, in the US, the 18 to 34 year old group is declining as a proportion of our population, fewer people are participating in most outdoor activities, as such sale are down, the industry needs a way to stimulate sales, so come up with "gravel bikes" , similar to the way fat biking gave birth to "adventure biking"
Oh sure, there is some marketing involved, but I think this was the industry being led by consumers as well. Roads do feel less safe, trucks and cars have only increased in size over the last decade, and with smartphones, drivers are even more distracted. The cyclocross craze was an initial reaction to this, plus the post-Lance hangover hurt interest in road bikes here in the U.S. In addition, and I think this is partly the fault of bike manufacturers, is that most road bikes have kind of been designed to the point where they are really only for one purpose....going fast and hard, which for a lot of consumers is not what they are interested in.
If you were to walk into most bike shops, you end-up with a shop that is trying to sell a 35 year old parent of 2 the most sleek and utterly ill-equipped for anything but racing or fast club riding carbon fiber bike, all with proprietary technology and lacking in functionality that can make a bike more than a piece of exercise equipment. Or, try to push a 22 year old recent college grad into buying the most heavily built full suspension mountain bike that will ride like sh*t except for the most technical of off-road trails and downhill descents.
I think the gravel bike interest (and increased interest it seems in rugged touring type bikes) is wanting more of a functional, go everywhere type bike, but also one that can go fast if you care to do so, or one in which a more leisurely ride along a country road with a lunch packed in a pannier bag, or one where you can go explore Class IV roads without falling over due to looser gravel.
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Gravel
I have these two

700x42c

700x35c

700x42c

700x35c
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Well, I actually just sold this about 2 weeks ago but it went through a few iterations as a gravel bike for me. Mid 80's Orbea Cabestany with a ton of tire clearance.

First version - Supple Challenge 700 x 30 tires, 10 speed friction DT shifting, road clipless pedals

Second Version - Michelin Cyclocross Mudders 700 x 32, flat/SPD two way pedals, 8 speed friction DT shifting

Third Version - Back to the Challenge tires, 8 speed friction DT shifting, upgraded Dia Compe brakes and pads, new hoods, cables, housings and the two way pedals.
The last version was how I left it when I put it up for sale. It went really quickly with lots of interest despite being a bit rough cosmetically.

First version - Supple Challenge 700 x 30 tires, 10 speed friction DT shifting, road clipless pedals

Second Version - Michelin Cyclocross Mudders 700 x 32, flat/SPD two way pedals, 8 speed friction DT shifting

Third Version - Back to the Challenge tires, 8 speed friction DT shifting, upgraded Dia Compe brakes and pads, new hoods, cables, housings and the two way pedals.
The last version was how I left it when I put it up for sale. It went really quickly with lots of interest despite being a bit rough cosmetically.
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