Is the bottom bracket Italian?
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Is the bottom bracket Italian?
This Bianchi is from 1993, all Tange tubing and I believe was built in Japan. Is the bottom bracket Italian threaded?
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@reconnaissance - Measure the bb shell width. 68 is English (likely), 70 is Italian.
Attractive bike, BTW!
Attractive bike, BTW!
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I guess it would be too difficult to just read the markings on the bottom bracket?
But an Asian Bianchi is most certainly English threaded.
But an Asian Bianchi is most certainly English threaded.
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English. FWIW that is a '93 model and came with Ultegra 8spd STI
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Nice FG/SS conversion. Are there any spacers on the rear axle for best alignment ? Is it a flip/flop for FG/SS ? Looks like a fun ride but would be a challenge in the TX hill country.
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Actually this frame is a very poor candidate for a SS conversion due to the vertical dropouts.
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Previously, I would have said, if asked, that I wasn’t partial to colour breaks at the lug edges (chromed lugs excepted.)
I just changed my mind. Wow.
I just changed my mind. Wow.
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Not on older frames with horizontal dropouts especially the longer style more common before the late '70s
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Your welcome and this is just a condensed reference. There are a few more but mostly variations on the basic.
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As @Bianchigirll notes above, an Asian built Bianchi should be English thread. And as @jianshi notes, the bottom bracket cups should be marked with thread type: 1.37 x 24 for English, 36 x 24 for Italian.
N.B. shell width (e.g. 68mm versus 70mm) should be seen as an unreliable indicator of thread spec. More than a few Japanese production bikes were made with 70mm shells and English thread.
N.B. shell width (e.g. 68mm versus 70mm) should be seen as an unreliable indicator of thread spec. More than a few Japanese production bikes were made with 70mm shells and English thread.
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I have a couple of old BBs that just have code markings stamped on them. If you didn't know the code, you wouldn't be able to tell the threading just by looking at the cup faces, especially if the shell width was a false flag.
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Had the opportunity to be tricked on a 70mm english thread guy...might have been a late 80s KHS, I think? It was a booboo at the Taiwanese factory apparently and a cool bike, but I didn't take the plunge.
I would imagine they had to use an Italian cartridge with English cups?
I would imagine they had to use an Italian cartridge with English cups?
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Bianchigirl is right. Horizontal road dropouts rule for road fix gear or single speed use. (Track ends are great on the track and work on the road but removing/flipping wheels is more work.)
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the (edit: confusing)right hand (drive) side. Left hand thread - English, left right hand thread - Italian (edit: poor proof reading). (And an English BB in an Italian BB will be very loose fit because Italian is larger diameter.)
Thanks guys for waking my up.
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the (edit: confusing)
Thanks guys for waking my up.
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Bianchigirl is right. Horizontal road dropouts rule for road fix gear or single speed use. (Track ends are great on the track and work on the road but removing/flipping wheels is more work.)
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the right hand (drive) side. Left hand thread - English, left hand thread - Italian. (And an English BB in an Italian BB will be very loose fit because Italian is larger diameter.)
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the right hand (drive) side. Left hand thread - English, left hand thread - Italian. (And an English BB in an Italian BB will be very loose fit because Italian is larger diameter.)
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Let’s make it simple: right side left hand Eng, left side right hand Ital, left side clockwise 1.37”, right side dextrorotary 26 mm. You’re welcome.
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Should just post a link to Sheldon Brown's pages on this and be done with it.
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Had the opportunity to be tricked on a 70mm english thread guy...might have been a late 80s KHS, I think? It was a booboo at the Taiwanese factory apparently and a cool bike, but I didn't take the plunge.
I would imagine they had to use an Italian cartridge with English cups?
I would imagine they had to use an Italian cartridge with English cups?
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No, just a longer spindle. The 70mm, English thread bottom brackets I've seen are cup-and-cone units, not cartridges. Some cartridges, e.g. Phil Wood, SunTour, use removable mounting rings on both sides, so fitting such a cartridge is simply a matter of picking the right spindle length and mounting ring thread.
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There are plenty of cases where Bianchi has bounced the manufacture of mid-range bicycles with Japanese components back and forth between Japanese and Italian sources. It all depended on the the relative values between the Lira and Yen at the time.
Also, as previously mentioned, there are cases of Japanese bicycles with 70mm shells. The boom era, entry level Sekine used 70mm shells with 68mm spindles because their preferred cups had very thick walls.
The bottom line is, if you're trying to determine Italian versus English bottom bracket threading, refer to the stamping on the cups or the threading direction of the fixed cup.
Also, as previously mentioned, there are cases of Japanese bicycles with 70mm shells. The boom era, entry level Sekine used 70mm shells with 68mm spindles because their preferred cups had very thick walls.
The bottom line is, if you're trying to determine Italian versus English bottom bracket threading, refer to the stamping on the cups or the threading direction of the fixed cup.
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Or, diameter of the cup: Italian cups are 36mm diameter, while English and metric (French, Swiss) are 35mm (if you want to get pedantic, English cups are 34.8mm, but round to two significant figures).
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Bianchigirl is right. Horizontal road dropouts rule for road fix gear or single speed use. (Track ends are great on the track and work on the road but removing/flipping wheels is more work.)
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the (edit: confusing)right hand (drive) side. Left hand thread - English, left right hand thread - Italian (edit: poor proof reading). (And an English BB in an Italian BB will be very loose fit because Italian is larger diameter.)
Thanks guys for waking my up.
BB threading - almost certainly left the factory as English threaded BUT any bottom bracket can be re-tapped to the larger Italian. That has been done many times when the original threads were damaged. Shops keep Italian taps just for that purpose. That trick was old when I was working in bike shops 45 years ago. Yourt bike has had 27 years to have a threading accident.
Good thing (for identifying which you have is thread direction on the (edit: confusing)
Thanks guys for waking my up.
Again IMHO if a BB gets screwed up, lack of skill, experience and attention are usually the cause, sometimes tools that have been poorly used and or compromised will cause problems but the operator is responsible for recognising a problem and avoiding it before it goes too far wrong and ruins any expensive, hard to source parts and pieces.
Once the Italian thread "trick" became common practice, pressure to do it right lessened even more with a fallback kludge that adds another layer of unnecessary BS to a situation that should have been avoided in the first place.
Just sayin
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