vxchtx

hi folks,


i bought an interesting sancineto frame with a lots of losa pantos on it and aero seatstays. does anyone have any info on sancineto/losa frames?

i also think it could be a respray. as sancineto are renowned framebuilders themselves, so why would they need losa building frames for them?

it would also give some meaning to that weird "Design Stifu" writing down at the rear dropout. maybe a local paintshop?



any information is much appreciated

Oldairhead

At a glance, that bike is probably from the mid 80's. That is the only time period when Sancineto used that sort of cap on the seat stays, but it was a transitional period for them and they were building bikes for other marques at that time. It's easy to imaging that it was some kind of collaboration with another builder, thus the mixed identity. You might find some useful images at the following link. Beginning in the late 80's Sancineto seemed to focus on their own marque, outside of custom orders.

https://utahrandonneur.wordpress.com...neto-bicycles/

Cheers!
Lonnie

jdawginsc 

Agree it might be 1983-1985, maybe...? The presence of Losa drops seems to put it after my Losa, but not-Losa Cassani dimpled seat-tube frame was made.

What's a little unique is the shape of the fork blades, the chain stays and the scalloped stay caps....as if he was experimenting with some Columbus Air tubing to go with the dimpled seat tube? Also, he was using his own dropouts, so maybe 1984? BY 86 he was using the peaked brake bridge...

Lattz

First congratulations, I would say it is a really (really-really) nice "Sancineto"'-ed Losa frame . If you yheck the Sancineto frames, their painting method on those models with the signature funky paint is A., always buttersmooth B., always on all tubes, this can be an exception, I'm still keeping my eyes peeled as I got interested (any envious). Desgin Stifu is/was some lower level swiss MTB team in the 90s (plus I think, the resprayer), on the German MTB forum, someone claimed how often he sees the writing on nice classic bikes in Switzerland and finds it disgusting. On said forum it was on this airbrushed MTB frame:

shuru421

All Sancineto frames Ive seen always has "S" engraved on the brake bridge..makes me want to say that this is a respray. Nonetheless, has interesting characteristics. Build it, ride it, tell us about it!

Choke 

I think the chain stays are just flattened for tire clearance. The stays on my (what I believe is) '86 frame look similar to my eyes. But I am looking at this on a phone so it's hard to be sure.

jdawginsc 

Could be clearance for sure. I noticed the seat stays have the same treatment as well. Mine are round even with the dimple, so made just an improvement for tire clearance as you said!

unworthy1

Interesting how much 'cross-over" there seems to be between different Italian builders who took on contract work. Clearly this frame has Losa hallmarks all over it yet they were not in the same neighborhood (Cuneo being south of Turin and Losa was in the Milan area, AFAIK) but the partnership happened anyhow. So many of the examples in that blogpost have "fade" paint jobs that look similar to the work of Carlo Dosenna, who also seems to have been painting somewhere in the Milano region, but if his decal is not present then it's just a guess (and plenty of copy-cats in the country and the velo-business)

vxchtx

thanks for all the replies, it continues to be a very interesting journey.

the frame has finally arrived and now i am able to post more pictures. it really has interesting tubes. most of the tubes seem to have some sort of aero shape. and i think it has an eery similarity with a losa professional i found online.https://steel-vintage.com/losa-professio*nal-1980s-super-record-detail

Dave_Chelt

Hard to see that this isn't a Losa that someone has applied Sancineto stickers to.