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Not what the seller says, but it is an odd duck

Old 11-15-20, 10:09 AM
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Not what the seller says, but it is an odd duck

I'm guessing this is a one-off or hobbyist-built frame:

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/b...231023724.html

It's not a Cinelli SC, just has an SC bottom bracket. Campy droputs, Shimano fork ends, and what is up with those posts on the fork/fork crown? I sent a note to the seller asking for a close-up of that area.

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Old 11-15-20, 10:34 AM
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I could be way off, but don't bz-on pivots for Mafac/similar centerpulls need to be way up higher than canti bz-ons?

Kinda feels like a mid-'70s to early-'80s one-off. I'd like to see what's happening with the downtube cable guides a little better.
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Old 11-15-20, 11:03 AM
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Looks like the posts which came on Centurion Pro tour machines in some years. Post mounted centerpulls...
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Old 11-15-20, 11:14 AM
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My wife and I used to have a Nishiki tandem that had some super-beefy centerpull brakes that attached to posts brazed on in about that location.
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Yes, the posts are for direct mounting centre-pull brakes. Based on the posts and blade end treatment, the fork is OEM despite the Shimano dropouts. The Campagnolo/Cinelli/Shimano combination suggests a American or possibly lowlands European builder, while the features have me thinking very late 1970s, light tourer/randonneur.
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Old 11-15-20, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pcb View Post
I'd like to see what's happening with the downtube cable guides a little better.

...it's still up on CL. You can see better detail for these on one of the photos there.
I wonder why someone went ahead and pulled of the brakes, which will probably be tough to find ?

Also on the CL photos, you can nicely see the CP posts for the rear brake. I guess maybe it got stripped for a repaint, never accomplished, and the parts got lost in the yard sale.
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Old 11-15-20, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pcb View Post
I could be way off, but don't bz-on pivots for Mafac/similar centerpulls need to be way up higher than canti bz-ons?
Ah, right. That hadn't occurred to me, but that makes sense.
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Old 11-16-20, 01:58 AM
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probably mafac GT ??

Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
Ah, right. That hadn't occurred to me, but that makes sense.
got similar on a pug


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Not sure how much that rust changes my opinion, but I'd be all over this at half the price. Looks like a fun 70s tourer. Wonder what the tubing is? Based on the seller's comments in the ad, I'm not sure how much more info you'd be able to get.
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Old 11-16-20, 08:29 AM
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I saw this when he first listed it,it was priced at $600.00. After a week he relisted at $200.00, and now he has added new pictures and raised the price to $400, so likely he would take $200.
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I'm glad to see some discussion on this frame, I saw it for sale a few weeks ago but was waffling on buying it so I never posted it on here.

I briefly talked to the seller; they are selling it for someone else so they don't have any real info.

I asked for the top tube length and they gave me a number of 21.5, seems excessively short but you never know. Maybe they measured the inside dimension between the lugs and not the CTC length.
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Old 11-16-20, 12:15 PM
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I texted with the seller and found him to be unhelpful. Glad to hear more background from others here. This frame ticks a lot of boxes for me, but seller isnít very motivated or accommodating.

He just stopped texting when I asked whether fork was actually a match given different fork ends. He wouldnít confirm itís the right size by measuring head tube and steering tube. I get that itís likely a match given CP posts for brakes on both, but still, blurry distant pictures arenít super helpful. Personally I donít want to drive an hour to find a poorly cared for hobbyist-built frame.

It would also need to be very nicely made to be worth more than $100 to me. Long way to say seller is likely delusional about value but then again Iíve never seen a Cinelli Super Corsa with braze on centerpull mounts and touring eyelets. Hell, itís not even on the cinelli timeline! Rarest of the rare!
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Old 11-26-20, 08:54 PM
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Relisted ,back up to his original price of $600.00.
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Old 11-27-20, 06:55 AM
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Gone!

The ad is off; either sold it, or took it out waiting for another opportunity another day ... wished I'd seen it earlier for the details.
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