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Old 12-06-20, 06:43 AM
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3Rensho

I’ve visited a new acquaintance again as he looks to thin his herd.
Saw this... did not know the story, but sort of neat.
















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Yeah...kinda neat.

Nice score.
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That’s in much nicer condition than many I’ve come across.
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Originally Posted by balindamood View Post
Yeah...kinda neat.

Nice score.
I didn’t buy it. I just didn’t know enough about it.
I did pick up a Paramount there last weekend.
I’m itching for his Hot Tubes, Columbus SL, by Toby Stanton.






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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I didn’t buy it. I just didn’t know enough about it.
I did pick up a Paramount there last weekend.
I’m itching for his Hot Tubes, Columbus SL, by Toby Stanton.






You're killing me Robbie! You know I love the patriotic bikes.


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You're killing me Robbie! You know I love the patriotic bikes.
As do I, with my Team USA red-white-and-blue Schwinn Project KOM-10. At last year's Neptune Ave. 4th of July parade, one guy actually yelled out, "Cool! A red, white, and blue bike!" I even bought mine used from a San Diego firefighter.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I didn’t buy it. I just didn’t know enough about it.
I did pick up a Paramount there last weekend.
I’m itching for his Hot Tubes, Columbus SL, by Toby Stanton.






SO HOT!
I am kinda on the lookout for a Hot Tubes. Toby is an underrated builder, and a superb painter.
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You're killing me Robbie! You know I love the patriotic bikes.





ugh —. Ive had my patriotic PDG for over 3 years now and still havent had it out and running yet other than a short neighborhood ruise

wheels are ridiculously out of true and i wanted to swap the build kit for a tri-color 8 speed STI setup, - but alas —. I guess im not feeling patriotic enough






or the equally patriotically painted Italian Stallion, project put on hold by inability to locate a sufficiently wide range Campy 8 speed cassette to complement the Racing T crank and derailleurs 😳😳. (It doesnt take much to sideline my projects here lately)

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I didn’t buy it. I just didn’t know enough about it.
I did pick up a Paramount there last weekend.
I’m itching for his Hot Tubes, Columbus SL, by Toby Stanton.








yep-thats a bike i would like to try out too if it fit me 👍

the 3Rensho in that condition should see some DeRosa’esque numbers in a sale though. Very nice example
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ugh —. Ive had my patriotic PDG for over 3 years now and still havent had it out and running yet other than a short neighborhood ruise

wheels are ridiculously out of true and i wanted to swap the build kit for a tri-color 8 speed STI setup, - but alas —. I guess im not feeling patriotic enough

or the equally patriotically painted Italian Stallion, project put on hold by inability to locate a sufficiently wide range Campy 8 speed cassette to complement the Racing T crank and derailleurs 😳😳. (It doesnt take much to sideline my projects here lately)
Well you need to get crackin' on those. Such beauty deserves to see the light of day! I totally get you though. I dropped off the Concorde at The Bike Shoppe to finishing building it on Saturday. It's been sitting in the living waiting for me to finish it for weeks. I've got the Stella all in pieces too and scattered all over the dining room table. And the Lecoulant and Ocshner are both in the living room waiting on me to finish minor work on them.
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TS Isaac in the background there, another cool, underrated, under-the-radar US builder.
Independent/Trek/ABG/Match/Leica camera accessories. Really interesting guy, and especially at Match, provided a platform for launching some other really fine builders.
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TS Isaac in the background there, another cool, underrated, under-the-radar US builder.
Thanks for that info. I'll try to get a price on it, as that's going, too.
It's set up for touring, with eyelets on a chrome fork, which I've only seen on a custom Super Corsa I used to have.

The owner likes American builders, obviously, with Paramounts, John Howard (Moulton), Ritchey, Isaac, Hot Tubes in his stable.
His team was given Guerciottis back in the day, and he opted to buy his own Trek 930 instead. His favorite tubing is 753...
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I hear you.....

Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
You're killing me Robbie! You know I love the patriotic bikes.



I have a red/white/blue Guerciotti (TSD) but I can't find a pic right now.
Same scheme as the Paramount TT.

But there is this...

Built for a friend when he earned his US citizenship.

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Bumping the thread a bit. I took the Paramount frame in to a painter to see if he'd touch it up (he wouldn't), but on the way there, I realized the "over the BB" R cable guide had simply fallen off. Sometime in the last 36 years, I guess (it's an '84). No biggie, I can buy a Campy clamp-on, since it's getting 3x8 Racing T. Not worth bringing it up, anyway, to the seller. I would love to see his face when he finds the guide lying on the floor one of these days! Uh-oh!

Steve gave me an old bike he sorta thought was lower end. He said it was a 58cm. I've measured it twice, and it measures 56cm. What? It's a Miyata, and had Shimano AX stuff on it. So I started looking into it. I compiled a list for crank_addict to review (he has some), and eventually, T-Mar if I get stumped. I also checked a couple of web sites re: serial numbers, because I don't want to jump onto the Miyata thread until I know what it is. You have to earn their secret handshake.

The bike is blue with orange in the panto/cutouts.
Fork: Sloped crown, not lugged. Inner lugs are long and pointed, 3 hole. Chrome under the paint. No panto. No decals of any kind.
Frame: Double-butted Miyata tubing. Long lug points, nicely filed, with "crowns" in the pantos. Scooped seat stay caps. Chrome under the paint. BB guides on top. Braze-on shifter posts. Hmm. Steve says it's a 58cm, but darned if I did not measure it 2x and it's 56x56, pretty much, no larger.
Wheels: Araya blue label silver rims. Hubs have oil ports and an odd "S" logo. 700c.
Crankset: Shimano AX with pedals.
Headset: Shimano EX? with the scalloped nuts (special wrenches, which I have)
Stem: Shimano AX. Seatpost: Shimano AX. Saddle: Miyata
RD has the same "S" logo as the hubs. FD is a DA 7200, pretty sure.
Calipers/Levers: Silver GranCompe. Bars: Sakae World champion.
Serial #: "I" 20144 58DD.

Not a Miyata 912, per @crank_addict, who has two ('cause he likes orange). I was hoping for a 312, as Steve said "it's sort of a cheap frame."

So T-Mar was consulted. The DD indicates DynaDrive. Which means a 56cm frame is a relative 58cm due to the pedal axis "drop" from the crank arm. So I can ride it. The DD also means it came with the AX stuff. Cool enough for me. Tom says late 1980 manufacture, which makes sense, given the "I" in the serial number, per Miyata decode. So I looked it up. My "sort of a cheap frame:" (web pic, but that's it) Identical to this one, except for RD: MIYATA PRO 56cm ROAD BIKE SHIMANO DURA ACE & 600 AX Antique Bicycle | eBay

1980 or 1981 Koga-Miyata Pro Racer

So a full resto, at least the frame and decals, is in order. Then, I'll decide on my level of blasphemy. I have enough AX stuff to run it front-rear in AX, it just won't fit. I may not worry about that. Finding out was pretty fun.

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Steve gave me an old bike he sorta thought was lower end. He said it was a 58cm. I've measured it twice, and it measures 56cm. What? It's a Miyata, and had Shimano AX stuff on it. So I started looking into it. I compiled a list for crank_addict to review (he has some), and eventually, T-Mar if I get stumped. I also checked a couple of web sites re: serial numbers, because I don't want to jump onto the Miyata thread until I know what it is. You have to earn their secret handshake.

The bike is blue with orange in the panto/cutouts.
Fork: Sloped crown, not lugged. Inner lugs are long and pointed, 3 hole. Chrome under the paint. No panto. No decals of any kind.
Frame: Double-butted Miyata tubing. Long lug points, nicely filed, with "crowns" in the pantos. Scooped seat stay caps. Chrome under the paint. BB guides on top. Braze-on shifter posts. Hmm. Steve says it's a 58cm, but darned if I did not measure it 2x and it's 56x56, pretty much, no larger.
Wheels: Araya blue label silver rims. Hubs have oil ports and an odd "S" logo. 700c.
Crankset: Shimano AX with pedals.
Headset: Shimano EX? with the scalloped nuts (special wrenches, which I have)
Stem: Shimano AX. Seatpost: Shimano AX. Saddle: Miyata
RD has the same "S" logo as the hubs. FD is a DA 7200, pretty sure.
Calipers/Levers: Silver GranCompe. Bars: Sakae World champion.
Serial #: "I" 20144 58DD.

Not a Miyata 912, per @crank_addict, who has two ('cause he likes orange). I was hoping for a 312, as Steve said "it's sort of a cheap frame."

So T-Mar was consulted. The DD indicates DynaDrive. Which means a 56cm frame is a relative 58cm due to the pedal axis "drop" from the crank arm. So I can ride it. The DD also means it came with the AX stuff. Cool enough for me. Tom says late 1980 manufacture, which makes sense, given the "I" in the serial number, per Miyata decode. So I looked it up. My "sort of a cheap frame:" (web pic, but that's it) Identical to this one, except for RD: MIYATA PRO 56cm ROAD BIKE SHIMANO DURA ACE & 600 AX Antique Bicycle | eBay

1980 or 1981 Koga-Miyata Pro Racer

So a full resto, at least the frame and decals, is in order. Then, I'll decide on my level of blasphemy. I have enough AX stuff to run it front-rear in AX, it just won't fit. I may not worry about that. Finding out was pretty fun.
Thats really cool. I have one of the pre-Miyata tubed 912’s - it’s a sweet ride.

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Pics when ready Rob!

I've been shopping around for a cheap frame to make a fully racked/fendered grocery getter. Miyata has been on my search list and I'm learning that the higher end frames tend to be fairly popular and priced as such.
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Buy the 3Rensho if it fits. You will not regret it.
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Those 3Renshos are such cool bikes, one with super record would but the ultimate grail bike for me if I could find one in a small size.
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I'm with CV-6: If the 3Rensho fits, go get it.
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