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Old 12-28-20, 02:39 PM
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Hello from Massachusetts - Schwinn Super Sport

I have a Schwinn Super Sport A9250. Any info on it would be appreciated. Ed
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Never heard of an A9250.
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Thatís whatís stamped on left rear fork.
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Sounds like a serial number and not a model number.

Are there 4 tiny numbers stamped into the head badge?

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No numbers on head badge. Only numbers are the ones on left rear fork.
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Schwinn has had a bike called Super Sport off and on since the 60's. Is yours drop bar road bike or a hybrid? Paint color? Is the frame steel or aluminum?

Also, can you post the brand and model of the various components?

Front Derailleur -
Rear Derailleur -
Brake Levers -
Brake Calipers -
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Does your serial number stamping look similar to this one?

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Yes, looks just like that. I canít post pictures. Campus green, chrome front forks, pie plate. I thought it might be a 69-70.
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250th SS frame made in January of 1969?
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I like the gold color and the green color. What are they called?
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Campus green and coppertone are the colors
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Those are cool bikes. To the uninitiated, they look like "just another Continental," but they are considerably lighter and more collectible.
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Yes, looks just like that. I can’t post pictures. Campus green, chrome front forks, pie plate. I thought it might be a 69-70.
Best guess is '67-70, based on the color, full chrome fork and (I assume) stem shifters up on the handlebar stem. Campus Green (and stem shifters) became available in '67. Last year for full chrome forks (assuming it's original) was 1970. It appears that Schwinn neglected to stamp a full serial number on your example, as Super Sports that vintage had serial numbers that began with two letters. 1967 serials would begin with A-M for the month, then a C for 1967, followed by numbers. 1970 frames would be stamped with A-M for the month, followed by an F for 1970, then numbers. I can't seem to find when Schwinn began stamping the serial number on the head tube instead of the rear dropout. Another possibility is that the frame was repainted. Original Schwinn paint had thick red primer under it that should be visible in scratched areas. 1965 frames had serial numbers that started with A-M then A, but the shifters were down low on the frame itself.
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Best guess is '67-70, based on the color, full chrome fork and (I assume) stem shifters up on the handlebar stem. Campus Green (and stem shifters) became available in '67. Last year for full chrome forks (assuming it's original) was 1970. It appears that Schwinn neglected to stamp a full serial number on your example, as Super Sports that vintage had serial numbers that began with two letters. 1967 serials would begin with A-M for the month, then a C for 1967, followed by numbers. 1970 frames would be stamped with A-M for the month, followed by an F for 1970, then numbers. I can't seem to find when Schwinn began stamping the serial number on the head tube instead of the rear dropout.
My 1964 SS has the serial "C4019" stamped on the rear NDS dropout, while my 1972 Opaque Green SS has this stamped on the headtube: "MG026855.'

(May I refer you politely to the "Orthodoxy" thread, already in painful process?)

A Reference.

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(May I refer you politely to the "Orthodoxy" thread, already in painful process?)
A Reference.
Dang. SO sorry I missed that one.
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Dang. SO sorry I missed that one.
Ah. Sarcasm. Comes across so well in print.

Your previous post was almost nothing but authoritatively presented misinformation. The OP of the "Orthodoxy Part 1" thread seems perturbed with this tendency of BF members.

<irony emoji>

OP's Schwinn is appropriately stamped for the 250th Super Sport built in January of 1969.
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Welcome to the fold. Those are great bikes and piece of American history. You will be able to post pictures after 10 posts. You are halfway there.
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Your previous post was almost nothing but authoritatively presented misinformation.
That's entirely possible, however here's what my misinformation was based on.
My initial understanding of Schwinn serial number decoding came from the Schwinn Lightweight Data Book.
However there are enough errors on those pages that I eventually had to turn to some of my own bikes to try and decipher what system Schwinn was using.
As someone who has worked for over 30 years in the R&D field, I'm familiar with the process of logging data points to try and determine patterns. I believe T-Mar uses a similar method for coming to his conclusions.
Here are some of those data point examples:

1960 Continental S/N B03xxxx
1960 Continental S/N F04xxxx
1963 Sierra S/N H33xxxx
1965 Continental S/N DA7xxxx
1965 Schwinn Twinn S/N CA5xxxx
1970 Varsity S/N FF7xxx
1971 Sports Tourer S/N BG06xxxx
1971 Sports Tourer S/N CG00xxxx
1972 Super Sport S/N BH4xxxx
1972 Super Sport S/N FH03xxxx

What I've determined from these is that Schwinn went from a one-letter, one number plus sequential number system up through 1964, to a two-letter plus sequential number system in 1965.
The Lightweight Data Book gets most of this correct, but with numerous errors and inconsistencies. Looking at my bikes I also confirmed what has been said here on BF, namely that the serial number dating process starts falling apart around 1973, when Schwinn began having such a surplus of fillet-brazed framesets that many weren't actually built into finished bikes until years later.
So it may indeed be almost nothing but misinformation. I did say it was my best guess. That's how I came to my conclusions.
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That's entirely possible, however here's what my misinformation was based on.
My initial understanding of Schwinn serial number decoding came from the Schwinn Lightweight Data Book.
However there are enough errors on those pages that I eventually had to turn to some of my own bikes to try and decipher what system Schwinn was using.
As someone who has worked for over 30 years in the R&D field, I'm familiar with the process of logging data points to try and determine patterns. I believe T-Mar uses a similar method for coming to his conclusions.
Here are some of those data point examples:

1960 Continental S/N B03xxxx
1960 Continental S/N F04xxxx
1963 Sierra S/N H33xxxx
1965 Continental S/N DA7xxxx
1965 Schwinn Twinn S/N CA5xxxx
1970 Varsity S/N FF7xxx

What I've determined from these is that Schwinn went from a one-letter plus sequential number system up through 1964, to a two-letter plus sequential number system in 1965.
The Lightweight Data Book gets most of this correct, but with numerous errors and inconsistencies.
So it may indeed be almost nothing but misinformation, but that's how I cam to my conclusions.
Thank you for detailing your methodology. Not one of your "data points" is a Super Sport. <sigh emoji> (Edit: I see you've added SS and ST data points. Good on you. They are all head tube stampings, and not relevant to OP's example.)

I linked to that source in my post. I'm not sure which alleged errors or inconsistencies you are referencing? Mid page is written:
"Note: This scheme is for all Chicago built non-Paramount models excluding 1962-1963 Superiors, 1964-1969 Super Sports and 1968 S/S Tourers..."

I don't care if you've worked 30 years in R&D, and neither do the facts.

You arrived at an erroneous conclusion based on incomplete and inapplicable data using an inherently flawed methodology, and bluffed it with bluster as if it were true.

Don't mean to harsh out on you; I'm sure your intentions were good?

OP's SS was the 250th built in January of 1969, according to its serial number.

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Thanks for the info, in looking at the serial # charts, nothing seemed to match up with my serial #.
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Thank you for detailing your methodology. Not one of your "data points" is a Super Sport. <sigh emoji> (Edit: I see you've added SS and ST data points. Good on you. They are all head tube stampings, and not relevant to OP's example.)
I linked to that source in my post. I'm not sure which alleged errors or inconsistencies you are referencing? Mid page is written:
"Note: This scheme is for all Chicago built non-Paramount models excluding 1962-1963 Superiors, 1964-1969 Super Sports and 1968 S/S Tourers..."
I don't care if you've worked 30 years in R&D, and neither do the facts.
You arrived at an erroneous conclusion based on incomplete and inapplicable data using an inherently flawed methodology, and bluffed it with bluster as if it were true.Don't mean to harsh out on you; I'm sure your intentions were good?
OP's SS was the 250th built in January of 1969, according to its serial number.
I see it now, and I apologize. You're dead right and I was dead wrong. The critical info I'm missing from my personal inventory is a fillet-brazed frame from the 60's.
I have Schwinns from the 60's, and I've got fillet-brazed frames from the 70's, but no fillet-brazed frames from the 60's. The inconsistencies I spoke of on the Lightweight Databook are on the "Details" page, where the serial number format is listed at the beginning of each model year section. Had I gone to the "Serial Info" page as you referenced, (why would I go there for serial number info? Hmmmm... ) I would have seen exactly what you were saying. Schwinn used the Paramount serial format on the left rear dropout of fillet-brazed frames in the 60's. I guess this makes sense, as these frames were reportedly brazed in the same area of the factory as Paramounts.

At any rate, I'm glad the OP got the info he was looking for. Hoping for forgiveness from the collective.

P.S. if anyone reading this has a ratty 24" 60's fillet-brazed frame they'd like to "peddle", maybe you could help me keep from making this mistake again!
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Thanks for the info, in looking at the serial # charts, nothing seemed to match up with my serial #.
Burkee, are your shifters on the down tube or on the stem? Does it have a built in kick stand or not?

I have a fondness for Schwinn Super Sports. My dad got me one for Christmas 1965 when I was a freshman in college. It was stolen on campus a few years later. I've collected a few since then to try and put one back together they way it was. It is not a project at the head of my list of things to do.
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