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Old 02-16-21, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Franklin..
Good choice. My friend Bob Freeman has used them on a fair number of his restorations. Really nice work at reasonable prices.
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Old 02-16-21, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Franklin. SSSInk for decals.

Excellent choice for both. Jack has a Carré and my 753 Lejeune at the moment. His work has always been stellar for me.
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Very cool seat stay joint. The lug extends down with a plug that the seat stay fits into? I didnt realize that sort of design was used so far back.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
From the early 30s to the late 40s, Frejus finished the majority of their road bikes the same way. The frame was clear coat over nickel plate. The head lugs chromed. The head tube painted a navy blue. Chrome fork.

This frame has had most of the original nickel removed. I belive some remains on the top tube. I also think the chrome on the head lugs is not original and was done when it was painted silver. 2 bits of evidence of that. First, the chrome is really nice, I don't think it is 80 years old. Also, the chrome goes beyond the lugs. Every example I have seen the top tube and down tube got masked at the lugs. The chrome stopped there.

I have decided against re-nickel coating . I'd have to strip the new chrome, then dip again into tanks. There are only so much chemicals that frame can take. For all I know the chain stay failed from hydrogen embrittlement.

So I asked the painter to do their best at simulating nickel, a satin silver. The painter complained. I know it won't be the same, all I asked is they do their best. Head tube will be navy blue. Varish-slide decals.

So not 100% original.

Interesting you saw "cielo". It could very well say that, I'm terrible with handwriting. I wonder if it was originally not you typical Frejus finish?
Inquire if the painter has looked into the array of silver colors used to paint many recent model aluminum automotive rims. Really really fine grain metallic. I watched a "wheel restoration specialist" paint and blend in a very hard to match to my view aluminum wheel. I asked what brand of paint, and I received a look that would be telling the family secrets.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
From the early 30s to the late 40s, Frejus finished the majority of their road bikes the same way. The frame was clear coat over nickel plate. The head lugs chromed. The head tube painted a navy blue. Chrome fork.

This frame has had most of the original nickel removed. I belive some remains on the top tube. I also think the chrome on the head lugs is not original and was done when it was painted silver. 2 bits of evidence of that. First, the chrome is really nice, I don't think it is 80 years old. Also, the chrome goes beyond the lugs. Every example I have seen the top tube and down tube got masked at the lugs. The chrome stopped there.

I have decided against re-nickel coating . I'd have to strip the new chrome, then dip again into tanks. There are only so much chemicals that frame can take. For all I know the chain stay failed from hydrogen embrittlement.

So I asked the painter to do their best at simulating nickel, a satin silver. The painter complained. I know it won't be the same, all I asked is they do their best. Head tube will be navy blue. Varish-slide decals.

So not 100% original.

Interesting you saw "cielo". It could very well say that, I'm terrible with handwriting. I wonder if it was originally not you typical Frejus finish?
I concour that it doesn´t look like 80 year old chrome nor would I try to rechrome it again. A painted nickle silver will certainly look good. It also might well be that only the head tube was painted blue. Unfortunately I am unable to read the one word next to "cielo" but it might very well be "sterzo" meaning head tube.

Here´s a transcript of the receipt as I read it, handwritten parts in italics, commentary in { }, additions in [ ]:

Ricevo da Signor Mortarini Francesco
Via Macedonia 27 Torino
la somma
di Lire milleottocentotre
per s/olo {?? this is the only part I can´t really read} cielo Frejus M n. 01642
telaio cm 59 - lavoraz.
[ione] spec.[iale] rep.[arto] corsa

In translation:
I receive from Mr. Francesco Mortarini
[living at] Via Macedonia 27 [in] Turin the sum
of onethousandeighthundredthree Lire
for {this is indecipherable part} sky Frejus M number 01642
Frame 59 cm - special treatment/processing in the race department

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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Inquire if the painter has looked into the array of silver colors used to paint many recent model aluminum automotive rims. Really really fine grain metallic. I watched a "wheel restoration specialist" paint and blend in a very hard to match to my view aluminum wheel. I asked what brand of paint, and I received a look that would be telling the family secrets.
Jack indicated he has a silver with an extremely fine flake, not like your typical silver. So he's thinking about it.
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Old 02-16-21, 05:20 PM
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Wow that's amazing. What stops the wheel moving forward and out of the dropout when the spindle securing nut is slackened for a gear change...... is that why they're called dropouts?
Just the weight of the cyclist. It's a pretty clever system, invented by the inventor of the modern cam-activated quick release skewer.
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Originally Posted by Vaang View Post
I concour that it doesn´t look like 80 year old chrome nor would I try to rechrome it again. A painted nickle silver will certainly look good. It also might well be that only the head tube was painted blue. Unfortunately I am unable to read the one word next to "cielo" but it might very well be "sterzo" meaning head tube.
Thanks for the transcript! I think that receipt is the coolest part of the whole deal.

As for whether it was sky blue or "Frejus livery", we'll never know. I haven't seen a deviation from the norm, but that certainly means doesn't mean it didn't have a different finish. And I could find no pro racer by the name of Francesco Mortarini. But that was probably due to the lack of business of the reparto corse group had in 1942. They'd take anyone's money.
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I didn't notice any shots of an assembled Cambio Corsa in the thread so far. There are various shots on the internet, but I found a wonderful example on Flickr. It is owned/displayed by Vintage Speed Bicycles. You can find the photo album here... https://www.flickr.com/photos/115217...57646319196692

a few shots, just as a teaser....







Some of these early shifting mechanisms are just fascinating!!

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Jack is the best. He also has one of my frames in process.
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
I didn't notice any shots of an assembled Cambio Corsa in the thread so far. There are various shots on the internet, but I found a wonderful example on Flickr. It is owned/displayed by Vintage Speed Bicycles. You can find the photo album here... https://www.flickr.com/photos/115217...57646319196692
If you are interested, VSB also had a very early find - https://www.flickr.com/photos/115217...th/6243529177/

1939 Uboldi with first gen cambio corsa, although the quick release lever is a later replacement. It's the only first gen dork disc I have seen pictured. Dropout has 13 teeth. And notice that the fender boss is in the middle of the dropout strut instead of the top. Cool stuff.
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Artwork for some varnish-slide decals. Special order, everything out there is post war. Close, but wrong. And I put an order in with Rudi for a saddle. I think I'm fifth on his list.

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Fausto Coppi (left) with a newfangled derailer, racing against Gino Bartali, using cambio corsa, in the 1949 Tour of France. This was Bartali's 35th birthday and he won the stage, although Coppi went on to win the whole race.

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What a wonderful undertaking. I look forward to seeing your progress. 😎
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I missed this the first go-round. What a fantastic and worthy project! Surely this will be a labor of love. Following with interest. I'm always impressed with the depth of knowledge on this forum, and dedication to researching (and sometimes even remembering) the minutiae of bygone eras.
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Originally Posted by Soody View Post
Fausto Coppi (left) with a newfangled derailer, racing against Gino Bartali, using cambio corsa, in the 1949 Tour of France. This was Bartali's 35th birthday and he won the stage, although Coppi went on to win the whole race.

The rocks in the centre of that image are jealous that they will never be as hard as Gino and Fausto.
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Back from paint.

1942 Frejus Paint 01 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 06 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 08 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 09 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 12 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 13 by iabisdb, on Flickr


1942 Frejus Paint 17 by iabisdb, on Flickr


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I would think you should be pleased.
very nice. Silver shows period.
the downtube art had me wondering about scale- indeed pretty small compared to more modern downtube graphics. That herald at the top really drives the size overall.

I like the translation of special processing by the race department on the invoice.
those are the most refined Frejus head lugs I have seen.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
those are the most refined Frejus head lugs I have seen.
The whole build is quite excellent considering it is dirt floor. The repair of the drive chain stay stands out as crappy when compared to the rest.
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Lovely bike. Is this the bike you'll take the next time a ride is put together for the hills in SW WI?
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Lovely bike. Is this the bike you'll take the next time a ride is put together for the hills in SW WI?
More suited for the flat as a pancake Spring Classic. At least for me.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
More suited for the flat as a pancake Spring Classic. At least for me.
I hear you. I'd never take my 1960 Olmo Gran Sport with its 49/46 rings and 13/26 freewheel to ride those hills. When I restore an old bike, I think of those hills as an acid test for the build. Some bikes I can ride up in those hills, some I can't.

But I've seen you ride those hills on bikes with gearing that wouldn't work for me . . .

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Enjoying the pics ~ great work
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snip...

"definitely pre planning to downshift is in order, one has to have enough forward momentum to accomplish the shift before the forward progress is depleted."
Now when reading this the second time I suddenly realize it can be read as pure poetry and more. It might be my age (57). This time I saw it like a recipie for my retirement plan (62). It can be read and used for a lot of situations in life I presume. Thank you. For real.

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I wrote earlier in the thread that I am looking forward to this. Now I am more certain of that than ever!

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I am eagerly anticipating your "first ride" report. It's a bit like my friend who was restoring a Model T and was concerned he'd probably crash on the first test drive, due to the very unfamiliar control layout and action. Frank Berto reportedly had a bit of a struggle, but did finally get a CC to shift.
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