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Old 02-25-21, 10:51 PM
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Carlton Super Course

I just picked up a bike I found on a market place. The price was right and I saw some Campy bits in the photos. Of course all the shots were NDS so I had to ask a couple of questions and extrapolate from what I saw.

From what I found on line there's not a lot of these, mostly I saw them in England with one mention in the US. The ones I saw were dated around 1980 and were generally built with mid-level components. This one has the same paint, but a different build with mostly Campy.

Does anyone know anything about these?

Some of the things that piqued my interest:

1) Campy Rally RD. Being NDS photo's I thought it might be a Rally but wasn't sure till I saw it.
2) 1984 Campy Strada Cranks
3) Pre CPSC Campy FD
4) Campy Record hubs with mis-matched Mavic 27" wheels
5) Cinelli Chrono Bars (38's) on a really tall frame (63CTT?)
6) Campy HeadSet, BB, and Setpost binder.
7) Campy Bar-end shifters

It feels like the original build was Campy, then there was some replacements down the road (Brakes, Seatpost (27.2), and seat). But the FD and Crank Combo are throwing me for a loop. Plus the handlebars are really tight with the look of the old Ambrose Champion but there is a touring RD. But, the gears are capable of being shifted by a NR RD.

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Old 02-26-21, 04:26 AM
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There are a lot of people that know something about these. Carlton was bought by Raleigh in 1960 so they could instantly have a high-end line, they continued to build the high-end there (Worksop) for some time.

To me the decals make yours look like a late model, mid-80s maybe. It also looks a bit of a mongrel, but you knew that.
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Old 02-26-21, 10:33 AM
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There are a lot of people that know something about these. Carlton was bought by Raleigh in 1960 so they could instantly have a high-end line, they continued to build the high-end there (Worksop) for some time.

To me the decals make yours look like a late model, mid-80s maybe. It also looks a bit of a mongrel, but you knew that.
Thanks @oneclick. I knew some of the Carlton history, I was under the impression that the Carlton Brand disappeared and that Raleigh used the Carlton factory. Obviously not. It seems like a reasonably nice frame. I'm hoping to test it out today or over the weekend.
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There were a bunch of mid-80s Raleigh Carlton framesets that pretty much all look the same though the labeling varied some. I've even seen some under the Triumph brand. I have an '85 Gran Course that is quite similar in lugs and geometry. The catalogs are online if you search, and they were mostly sold as framesets only.
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Originally Posted by SwimmerMike View Post
the Carlton Brand disappeared
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and that Raleigh used the Carlton factory.
Yes - to make bicycles with a Raleigh headbadges and Carlton decals. Including the Super Course series. Can you us curious the first few characters of your serial number and its location?
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In England, Canada and many other commonwealth nations the bikes built under Raleigh in the Carlton factory were still labeled as Carltons. In England particularly the company already enjoyed a good reputation so TI Raleigh thought better of trying to transform the Raleigh label there and just stuck with Carltons. This was done all the way until the factory closed up in the early '80s.

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In England, Canada and many other commonwealth nations the bikes built under Raleigh in the Carlton factory were still labeled as Carltons. In England particularly the company already enjoyed a good reputation so TI Raleigh thought better of trying to transform the Raleigh label there and just stuck with Carltons. This was done all the way until the factory closed up in the early '80s.

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@Kilroy1988 Thanks for the information. I kept seeing a ton of Raleigh Super Courses and just a couple of the Carlton bikes that were of their vintage, keeping the Carlton brand in England makes sense. This is also where I saw most of the bikes that looked like the one I acquired.
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Can you us curious the first few characters of your serial number and its location?
@oneclick - I tried to get the serial number last night when I got it home. I wasn't able to make it out between the lighting, the dirt, and the under bottom bracket derailleur cables. I'll be working on it this weekend so I'll get a good picture of the S/N.

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Can you us curious the first few characters of your serial number and its location?
@oneclick I took the bike apart last night and the S/N on the BB is: WD1000171 with a sideways S underneath.

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Worksop, March 1981. I suspect there is a Raleigh equivalent, made for distribution on the continent. The European continent, that is.
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non-fixie thanks for the information on the s/n deciphering. I know I saw a Raleigh serial number guide once but I couldn’t find it today.

As a side note, I posted the frame for free on the sales board (local pickup)
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