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nlerner 03-22-21 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 21979167)
When new, did that version Breakaway frame not come with a fork or is that a replacement fork?

Neat bike- serves a great purpose. When you travel down to the Bay Area, will you bring this or use your bike that stays down there?

Yeah, what about the zero bikes? They will be sad.

3speedslow 03-22-21 11:22 AM

Reynolds 631 butted tig welded threadless Campy 10 speed Veloce brifted 2017 Raleigh RA...

No stones coming from my direction!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...68510c8cc.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...221ad71a8.jpeg

gugie 03-22-21 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 21979167)
When new, did that version Breakaway frame not come with a fork or is that a replacement fork?

Neat bike- serves a great purpose. When you travel down to the Bay Area, will you bring this or use your bike that stays down there?

Good question about the fork. Anybody with Ritchey Breakaway history knowledge?

The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.

TugaDude 03-22-21 02:25 PM

Anything with the name Ritchey, especially a frame is OK in my books! He is a classic and so the bike is too in my opinion. But seriously, it is a super nice frame and I'm sure you'll love it once you get everything dialed in.

merziac 03-22-21 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21979541)
Good question about the fork. Anybody with Ritchey Breakaway history knowledge?

The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.

Man that's cool, there was one of those frames on CL awhile back and I almost pulled the trigger, it was a good deal but a bit small, should have done it. :twitchy:

merziac 03-22-21 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 21979167)
When new, did that version Breakaway frame not come with a fork or is that a replacement fork?

Neat bike- serves a great purpose. When you travel down to the Bay Area, will you bring this or use your bike that stays down there?

There are 2 for sale on CL right now with Ritchey carbon fork, $1400 + $1800. ;)

Looks like this one was kept.

niliraga 03-22-21 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21978998)

One more thing I forgot to mention...it's (cough, cough), TIG welded...

someone needs to work up nervex pro designs for 3-D printers. Then heretics could glue plastic replicas around their TIG welds, and move through a C&V crowd without causing a ruckus.

gugie 03-22-21 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by merziac (Post 21979655)
There are 2 for sale on CL right now with Ritchey carbon fork, $1400 + $1800. ;)

Looks like this one was kept.

Complete bike, six Benjamins with case.

Yep, I'll ride it like I stole it.

merziac 03-22-21 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21979667)
Complete bike, six Benjamins with case.

Yep, I'll ride it like I stole it.

Fantastic score, Ritchey, steel, all good. ;)

I think they wanted $325? for the frame awhile back, it had the CF Ritchey fork and was a little rough, nothing to worry about though.

gugie 03-22-21 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by niliraga (Post 21979663)
someone needs to work up nervex pro designs for 3-D printers. Then heretics could glue plastic replicas around their TIG welds, and move through a C&V crowd without causing a ruckus.

Hmm, that's not too far out of the question! Early English builders used "appliques" , stamped, thin sheet metal that was wrapped around the tube. Here's an example from Hetchins:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4bf8930224.jpg
Photo stolen shamelessly from Kevin Sayles over on the CR site

One could easily design these and have them laser cut or water jet. Silver braze them in place. Wondering if you could build up a bronze fillet over the silver. Alternative is to crank up the heat and bronze it all, which is the way things "used to be".

obrentharris 03-22-21 03:55 PM

Great score!
That bike's going to be a lot of fun.

Welcome to the TIG club.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Bik...MG_0391-XL.jpg

Brent

nlerner 03-22-21 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21979541)
The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.

You are an evil genius! Bonus points for zero bikes that get purchased at the specific local where they end up in their anticipatory state.

DiegoFrogs 03-22-21 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21978998)

One might think, but the long seatpost connects the seat lug halves together, the flange at the bottom uses the same principal of a KF flange (look it up, they're common in vacuum applications in semiconductor industry) My experience with them is that they make a very stiff connection, so I wasn't worried about it. That and Ritchey's sold a lot of these with no issues.

Thanks for this. I've used this type of connection in vacuum process applications in the past without really knowing its name or much about it. These days I do wet process/equipment stuff and I'm incorporating more sanitary fittings that work on pretty much the same principle as I develop new stuff.

BFisher 03-22-21 06:17 PM

You better be careful! This is really a slippery sloping top tube into the abyss.


But really, that is quite a cool bike.

ascherer 03-22-21 06:19 PM

That's a fine looking ride, no harm no foul.

gugie 03-22-21 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by BFisher (Post 21979958)
You better be careful! This is really a slippery sloping top tube into the abyss.

I see what you did there!

bwilli88 03-23-21 06:37 AM

I have been looking for a Raleigh Gran Prix from the last few years, they licensed a that setup from Ritchey for a couple of years.
Still TIG welded but looks similar, but ugly colors.

mhespenheide 03-23-21 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21979729)
Hmm, that's not too far out of the question! Early English builders used "appliques" , stamped, thin sheet metal that was wrapped around the tube. Here's an example from Hetchins:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4bf8930224.jpg
Photo stolen shamelessly from Kevin Sayles over on the CR site

One could easily design these and have them laser cut or water jet. Silver braze them in place. Wondering if you could build up a bronze fillet over the silver. Alternative is to crank up the heat and bronze it all, which is the way things "used to be".

Or you could strip the paint off the whole thing, and then lay down some non-structural fillets over the TIG welds...
...but hey, if Dario Pegoretti can sell TIG-welded frames, I think you'll be okay.
There's a lot of love for the breakaway cross frames over on Paceline. They seem like great bikes as long as you don't mind the higher bottom bracket. And hard to beat for travel.

mhespenheide 03-23-21 07:46 PM

Oh, and the pictures that I can find of orange Ritchey Breakaway Cross bikes all have black carbon forks. I don't know what the story is with your steel fork.

gugie 03-23-21 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by mhespenheide (Post 21981861)
Oh, and the pictures that I can find of orange Ritchey Breakaway Cross bikes all have black carbon forks. I don't know what the story is with your steel fork.

I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25cd93e0fe.jpg

merziac 03-23-21 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21981954)
I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25cd93e0fe.jpg

Hmmm....

Great minds and all that. ;)

Andy designed these and the rear version with help from Spenser Houser, cast by Long Shen.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab69a752e8.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33b96e18c6.jpg

Dave was able to clearance the crown to make room for the 32's, he cut out the casting knob and fabbed in a piece to make it quite elegant to my eye. :love:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...76ca3007d8.jpg

USAZorro 03-23-21 09:58 PM

Seems much more recent than it was, but I once transgressed - though only for a season. Fr Ramos convinced me to part ways with this unwieldy abomination.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f2dc05cd00.jpg

I learned that I must have lugs to survive. I shall pray for all who have transgressed. :innocent:

merziac 03-23-21 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by USAZorro (Post 21982021)
Seems much more recent than it was, but I once transgressed - though only for a season. Fr Ramos convinced me to part ways with this unwieldy abomination.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f2dc05cd00.jpg

I learned that I must have lugs to survive. I shall pray for all who have transgressed. :innocent:

I have a friend at work who rocks one of these and absolutely loves it, thank goodness you came your senses. ;)

RiddleOfSteel 03-23-21 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21981954)
I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25cd93e0fe.jpg

I think anything is better than the fork that's on it now. Thank goodness the bike is in your hands now! You can both rectify it aesthetically and functionally. The fork's color could even match. The possibilities!

northbend 03-24-21 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 21981954)
I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25cd93e0fe.jpg

What a great looking fork crown! You should totally build a new fork for your Ritchey.

As for your sin, now.
No worries..
I think with all the good works that you're done for us C&V'rs you must certainly have been awarded an Indulgence.


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