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Old 05-31-21, 01:20 PM
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Was hoping for a good assembled on the bike maybe front end and full on driveside as well with no bags or racks.
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Old 06-01-21, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Good info, make sense. And right now this is my favorite bike to ride!



More good info! It came to me with the handlebars packed in the case, I took pictures as I pulled it out, so I'm hoping it all goes back in. My multiple experiences with the Box o' Crap lead me to believe it may not be as easy as I think...

At any rate, next Saturday will be the first time on a plane in over a year, and the first time with this bike, so I'll know soon enough!
Not that it can't be done with the handlebars. I've done it many times myself, but the handlebars were THE HARDEST part of packing it. Then one day I had the epiphany that I always have another suitcase on me, and I threw the handlebars in there with all my clothes. Packing and unpacking was suddenly 10x easier. No trying to wrangle and fit the curves of the drop bars around all the other parts, no more pushing the bars into spokes, no more torn handlebar tape, fewer tangled cables on unpacking. It was revelatory.

I also pack it S&S style like this guy does.
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Old 06-01-21, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
Not that it can't be done with the handlebars. I've done it many times myself, but the handlebars were THE HARDEST part of packing it. Then one day I had the epiphany that I always have another suitcase on me, and I threw the handlebars in there with all my clothes. Packing and unpacking was suddenly 10x easier. No trying to wrangle and fit the curves of the drop bars around all the other parts, no more pushing the bars into spokes, no more torn handlebar tape, fewer tangled cables on unpacking. It was revelatory.

I also pack it S&S style like this guy does.
Oooh, thanks for that! I just broke it down tonight and tried packing, but stopped when I got stuck to go think about it. Packing the bars separately makes great sense. Tomorrow I'll try it again with your linked directions.
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Gugie, I'm afraid you are a bad influence. What if we all start buying newer bikes? I picked this one up last week. Its the single speed version. 120mm rear spacing. By far the newest bike I own. Plan on using a flat bar. I have other track/single speed bikes with drops. With nothing other than brake cables that I can just cut and replace I should be able to pack it up or put it together in less than 15 minutes.
While I love the fork you made, I'll leave the carbon fork on this. Any attempts on my end to make a fork would involve 2x4's and zip ties.... broom handle and plumbers tape maybe.
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Old 07-31-21, 09:49 PM
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I stripped my 1977 Super Le Tour of its shifters, drivetrain, and wheels and put them on this - steel frame, CF fork:

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Old 08-01-21, 08:20 AM
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gugie We must be neighbors, sort of? Im near Farmington and Murray. I expect invitations to dinner.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.

i like that crown.
the seat stay paired component is interesting also.

on to design- creating a different fork with more rake or offset for a handlebar bag- ok
but that will reduce trail, ok, as the bag weight will play into the mix.

the missing element was the very early quick handling of the original bike set up compared to the low trail bikes already in the stable as initially reported.

I am leaving out that as one steers a bike with generous rake, the front of the bike rises and dips more- but this is really at steering angles used in very low speed situations.

I have been measuring my bikes just to quantify the differences, swapping wheels to observe the feel of different width tires.
there are equations for that, but why bother when one can just test ride?

an interesting observation- most of the Masi fleet has pretty low trail, under 40 mm most have generous offset or rake. There is a huge design evolution between 1970 and 1986 for reference.
the Medici has the most trail. It also wins the most stable award when looking behind. I need to drop the fork or crank up the Cad program to measure the actual, but has visibly less rake that what Masi, Colnago or Gios used.
the Tesch S-22 has pretty high numbers too in the 50s+

a key result? 23 width tires in front provide the best cornering feedback in front. No matter the geometry.

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Old 08-01-21, 09:30 AM
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I stripped my 1977 Super Le Tour of its shifters, drivetrain, and wheels and put them on this - steel frame, CF fork:

Hey, as long as it's orange, we're good!
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Old 08-01-21, 09:31 AM
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gugie We must be neighbors, sort of? Im near Farmington and Murray. I expect invitations to dinner.
Ha! I'll have to hook up for a ride. @Andy_K is not to far from you either. I'm in Garden Home.
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Old 08-01-21, 10:04 AM
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Hey, as long as it's orange, we're good!
I never knew how much I needed an orange bicycle until this frameset popped up.

As an additional bonus, my two favorite jerseys are solid color - one of them light blue and the other orange
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Old 08-01-21, 04:51 PM
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gugie We must be neighbors, sort of? Im near Farmington and Murray. I expect invitations to dinner.
Farmington and Murray? The storied Neal Lerner Invitational route must go right through your back yard!

I'm around 170th and Oak, BTW. I rode by Farmington and Murray earlier today.
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Old 08-01-21, 05:35 PM
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Farmington and Murray? The storied Neal Lerner Invitational route must go right through your back yard!

I'm around 170th and Oak, BTW. I rode by Farmington and Murray earlier today.
Holy cats! You guys were within 1 block of my place!

Wait, what was this thread about? 😵‍💫
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Holy cats! You guys were within 1 block of my place!

Wait, what was this thread about? 😵‍💫
It shows up in a lot of threads. This was the original one: PDX, March 19, nlerner is in town and ready to ride
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If a new bike is a sin, what's my penance for THIS??
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I'm not a member of the Judeo-Christian denominations, but I suppose I may be sinning in the C&V sense. Coming soon to me...

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I'm not a member of the Judeo-Christian denominations, but I suppose I may be sinning in the C&V sense. Coming soon to me...

BTW - sweet ride!!
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I'm not a member of the Judeo-Christian denominations, but I suppose I may be sinning in the C&V sense. Coming soon to me...

I think that you will be very happy with your decision.

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I'm not a member of the Judeo-Christian denominations, but I suppose I may be sinning in the C&V sense. Coming soon to me...
Noted - we ride same size frames.

Ill just add, Ive had my Breakway with me this week on our family beach trip and it really is a fun bike to ride. I took pictures packing it up. I wont gum up the thread with the pics but if anyone needs help solving the Breakaway packing puzzle, drop me a line. Handlebars are included!
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I'm not a member of the Judeo-Christian denominations, but I suppose I may be sinning in the C&V sense. Coming soon to me...

As long as it's steel and hopefully lugged (or not, whatever), its all good. No way to go wrong with Andy's deal, such rich, great history, so many racers and builders coming out of Micheals and Ames Iowa.
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Noted - we ride same size frames.
5'11", by chance?
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As long as it's steel and hopefully lugged (or not, whatever), its all good. No way to go wrong with Andy's deal, such rich, great history, so many racers and builders coming out of Micheals and Ames Iowa.
Steel, no lugs. Modern 11-speed group. Steve has been a pleasure to work with.
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5'11", by chance?
A weird 62. My sweet spot is a 57 cm frame, but most of my bikes are 56.
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