Flying Dutchman Mixte,circa early 1970's?
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Flying Dutchman Mixte,circa early 1970's?
Looking for info on this bicycle.Feels like the tubing is lead pipe!
Huret shifter and front derailleur. Rear derailleur has been replaced with generic Sunrace.. Lovely lugs. No head badge, just fragments of a decal. Lyotard pedals, 136R I think it must have been a drop bar, with someone putting these riser bars at a later date.
There are lots of riders here that enjoy these old bikes as beaters to be able to ride downtown and lock up, protecting their beloved bikes from merciless bike thieves.
Huret shifter and front derailleur. Rear derailleur has been replaced with generic Sunrace.. Lovely lugs. No head badge, just fragments of a decal. Lyotard pedals, 136R I think it must have been a drop bar, with someone putting these riser bars at a later date.
There are lots of riders here that enjoy these old bikes as beaters to be able to ride downtown and lock up, protecting their beloved bikes from merciless bike thieves.
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forum had a recent thread on a gents model in yellow which, IIRC, was stated to date from 1970's by owner -
Flying Dutchman Bike
your example appears looks to be somewhat earlier...
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frame -
this pattern is mixte is termed a berceau
lug pattern is BOCAMA 81/I
bottom bracket shell appears it may be a Gargatte
laterals bridge at seat tube one not frequently seen
chainstay bridge ESGE plate style
seat stay bridge ESGE plate style
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safety tip -
stem looks to be dangerously high; perhaps only two cm engagement with steerer
minimum engagement for safety six or seven cm
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forum had a recent thread on a gents model in yellow which, IIRC, was stated to date from 1970's by owner -
Flying Dutchman Bike
your example appears looks to be somewhat earlier...
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frame -
this pattern is mixte is termed a berceau
lug pattern is BOCAMA 81/I
bottom bracket shell appears it may be a Gargatte
laterals bridge at seat tube one not frequently seen
chainstay bridge ESGE plate style
seat stay bridge ESGE plate style
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safety tip -
stem looks to be dangerously high; perhaps only two cm engagement with steerer
minimum engagement for safety six or seven cm
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Last edited by juvela; 03-26-21 at 07:25 AM. Reason: addition
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forum had a recent thread on a gents model in yellow which, IIRC, was stated to date from 1970's by owner -
Flying Dutchman Bike
your example appears looks to be somewhat earlier...
---
frame -
this pattern is mixte is termed a berceau
lug pattern is BOCAMA 81/I
bottom bracket shell appears it may be a Gargatte
laterals bridge at seat tube one not frequently seen
chainstay bridge ESGE plate style
seat stay bridge ESGE plate style
---
safety tip -
stem looks to be dangerously high; perhaps only two cm engagement with steerer
minimum engagement for safety six or seven cm
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forum had a recent thread on a gents model in yellow which, IIRC, was stated to date from 1970's by owner -
Flying Dutchman Bike
your example appears looks to be somewhat earlier...
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frame -
this pattern is mixte is termed a berceau
lug pattern is BOCAMA 81/I
bottom bracket shell appears it may be a Gargatte
laterals bridge at seat tube one not frequently seen
chainstay bridge ESGE plate style
seat stay bridge ESGE plate style
---
safety tip -
stem looks to be dangerously high; perhaps only two cm engagement with steerer
minimum engagement for safety six or seven cm
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The berceau is really sweet and good to know the right terminology. Also same with lugs and bridges.
The seat stay plate says "made in Germany".
The stem is high only because I was checking it and didn't lower it before the photo. It was corretly placed when I first got it.
The link you listed have very little on the Flying Dutchman bike and a lot more about a "tonato" that one of the replies/members was working on or had worked on.
Thanks again. I was trying to find out where it was from and yes, I do realize that it is an entry level bike.
Cheers!
Nubra
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sorry, was not able to give you any better information regarding the cycle or its manufacturer.
we know that the yellow example linked to was manufactured for and purchased at a cycle shop in Glendale California (coincidentally the town o' me birth).
ESGE is a German (and Swiss) based entity. a number of French cycle manufacturers employ their plate style bridges. other products include mudguards, propstands and racks.
have no guesses as to who may have produced your example.
form member MauriceMoss is particularly outstanding with frame identification; if he looks at your images he may recognise something straightway...
berceau is the french term for cradle.
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sorry, was not able to give you any better information regarding the cycle or its manufacturer.
we know that the yellow example linked to was manufactured for and purchased at a cycle shop in Glendale California (coincidentally the town o' me birth).
ESGE is a German (and Swiss) based entity. a number of French cycle manufacturers employ their plate style bridges. other products include mudguards, propstands and racks.
have no guesses as to who may have produced your example.
form member MauriceMoss is particularly outstanding with frame identification; if he looks at your images he may recognise something straightway...
berceau is the french term for cradle.
all best.
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Last edited by juvela; 03-28-21 at 07:55 PM. Reason: addition
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I got this any idea the year and tubing they say made in Germany stamp on the rear brake briges lucky the head badge down tube decals still in good shape.
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at first glance the machine appears it might be a French product however the faux chrome seen on the frame's taper tubes is indicative a low countries origin
readers might be able to give more and better assistance with improved imagery
perhaps member non-fixie may have some observations
cycle definitely not a German product
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The interesting thing here is that the frame gives off a definite Belgian vibe and is called Flying Dutchman. Although the Belgians and the Dutch get along well these days, a Belgian manufacturer naming their product Flying Dutchman is highly unlikely.
The headbadge suggests it might be a housebrand of a Glendale shop, owned by a Dutchman called Van der Kolk. And lots of frames like these were produced by Belgian factories for others to build up and brand.
This picture shows the Belgian shop of Adhemar De Vos in 1969. Behind the De Vos family members and their distinguished guest you can see some of his stock, nicely wrapped in plastic. I am sure those frames came from elsewhere. Most of frame suppliers delivered their frames painted and ready to build up, but without any identifying marks or serial numbers, so finding the actual frame builder is nigh impossible.
This picture, also from De Vos' shop, shows that the berceau was a popular pattern:
The headbadge suggests it might be a housebrand of a Glendale shop, owned by a Dutchman called Van der Kolk. And lots of frames like these were produced by Belgian factories for others to build up and brand.
This picture shows the Belgian shop of Adhemar De Vos in 1969. Behind the De Vos family members and their distinguished guest you can see some of his stock, nicely wrapped in plastic. I am sure those frames came from elsewhere. Most of frame suppliers delivered their frames painted and ready to build up, but without any identifying marks or serial numbers, so finding the actual frame builder is nigh impossible.
This picture, also from De Vos' shop, shows that the berceau was a popular pattern:
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