Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 21999956)

The OP certainly has a right to his opinion and in choosing what he wants to hate (pretty strong word). In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with "gas pipe" frame bicycles. First of all, there is not a bike on Earth made out of gas pipe. I doubt that many Bike Forum members even know what gas pipe is.

Gas pipe is for moving flammable gas and is darn sturdy stuff. Pick up a piece of black iron pipe (ordinary pipe), or high tensile steel pipe and then pick up a similar sized piece of gas pipe. The gas pipe is twice as heavy, thanks to a much thicker wall. Many, if not most, entry level vintage bicycles are made from high tensile tubes and do sport lugs...


Lower end bikes are, generally, more comfortable to ride for the average, or even skilled, rider. The geometry is more relaxed than that of most higher end higher performance bikes. I do not say that based on what I have read or heard others say. I base that opinion on personal experience. I have found, restored and ridden dozens of high end, exotic tubed, name brand lugged/drops bicycles...


And, I have found, restored and ridden just as many lower end steeds...


Make no mistake, I would not turn my nose up at finding, restoring and riding another high ender but I will no longer be fooled by the hype that surrounds them...


Anyone who hates this bike is, in my mind, being unfair. Ride it and then tell me what a dog it is. You just might reconsider your opinion about less exotic steeds...


All that said, I do respect the opinions of others, even though I might disagree with the other guy's or gal's.

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 22000446)

You have an odd definition of “low end bikes”. None of yours are. The Atala seems to be sporting a Campy rear derailer. My objections isn’t to the bicycle but the classification of what appears to be a fairly good bike as a piece of junk. I’m no fan of vintage steel but I not a fan of denigrating a bike just because it’s old.

There are a lot of bikes that people here and elsewhere go gaga for which aren’t worth the time of day. There’s others that people pass over because they just don’t know what they have.

Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 22001100)

Anyone- "good morning, cycco."

Cycco- "Is it a good morning? First of all, define good. And when measured against historical examples of mornings that were good, why do you quantitatively view this as an equal to those other mornings? Furthermore, is it even morning? We all know that the idea of time is a human construct and that the four dimensional spacetime continuum allows for equal value to be placed on that which has happened, is happening, and will happen. With that taken into consideration, is this even morning and if it is, is it really 'good'?"

Anyone-
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 (Post 22001004)

Classic French bike built with unlabeled non-descript tubing, how's that? Some of them ride really well due to good geometry. Yours looks like a Jeunet 620, unlabeled tubing with brazed-on cable stops on the top tube, but very similar geometry to the 630, which was full 531 with plain Simplex ends that used cable clips for the rear brake cable. My favorite example of this sort of bike is my Liberia, which appears to be the very cheapest model they made, but tricked out with 27-in wheels for the U.S. market for that brief time during the bike boom when distributors were grabbing everything they could from regional and smaller makers to feed American demand. Mine started life as a $100 college campus bike sold out of a shop adjacent to the University of South Carolina. The tubing appears to have a wall thickness of around 1.0 to 1.1 mm, though, which isn't too shabby, and the geometry makes it corner like a much more expensive competitive bike. On paper, it shouldn't ride this well. Replacing the rusted-out Saminox steel rims with some old Weinmann alloy units helped.