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Old 05-07-21, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Insidious C. View Post
That's awesome, Andy! Maybe I could lend out some of my projects and see what they look like when returned? Hmmm.
You know, I'm always trying to figure out a way to get to play with different bikes without spending too much or filling up my garage. I don't really want to start a repair business, but maybe once in a while I could talk people into letting me riding their bike for a while after overhauling it.
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Old 05-07-21, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
$100. Can't spend a penny more.
Of course. I meant do I need to assign a value to a bike that someone is going to give me with the understanding that I'll give it back when I'm done with it?
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Of course. I meant do I need to assign a value to a bike that someone is going to give me with the understanding that I'll give it back when I'm done with it?
I was trying to be funny and ascribing a $100 value to the free bike .

I think $0 is a good start.
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you guys are really kickin ass and i feel like a noob in comparison, but it is my first run with this..

I cleaned my chrome, and changed the front tire.
Finally bought my parts. New derailleur, and some kind of crappy but good lookin' plastic fenders.
Sadly, the newer looking tube that came with the rim i bought during the week is busted, the valve got cut by the rim..
I am now at 65$ US. I still need to deal with the back wheel, but i am picking up a rear rim that looks to be off a slightly newer Peugeot for 20 bucks, with a Schwalbe tire on it, tomorrow. For the Challenge, that's all ill be using. (unless i can fit repairing my rim in the budget, i did just clean all the rust off..)


broken cog, and the springs are not anywhere near as tight as they should be


this thing is all sorts of messed up... ill try to save it but im not sure i even should

before photo of the wheel..

progress.

It's like a whole new bike?!?

Handle bars cleaned up miiint, and that's a used but much less likely to kill me tire. the old tire was so bad it actually fell appart when i tried to remove it..
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Old 05-07-21, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
I was trying to be funny and ascribing a $100 value to the free bike .
Oh.
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Old 05-07-21, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Narhay View Post
I was trying to be funny and ascribing a $100 value to the free bike .

I think $0 is a good start.
Hey, that first gen Cyclone rear derailleur is worth $70 min. on eBay right now.
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I picked up the Takara. In the four years since the previous photo I posted, it hasn't changed much except, ironically, the lock is gone.



The grill owner says it's actually been there for 10 years and they had started to wonder why nobody had taken it. It had become a sort of good luck charm for them. I hope letting me borrow it won't mess that up. More detail picks later.
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The backstory and present plans for that Takara are awesome. Find bike - ask permission - fix bike - ride bike - put bike back. Love it!
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The Takara has some decent components.

Cyclone GT rear derailleur (and SunTour GS dropouts)



SunTour AR front derailleur (which I think is too new for the rest of the bike)



Sugino Maxy crankset



Kyokuto quill pedals



Takara Sports handlebar



Dia Compe brakes

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Decals and such












So, yeah, I think I can pretty much just oil the chain, put air in the tires, and ride this one.
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Old 05-09-21, 04:51 AM
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Here’s the pic you need to recreate, @Andy_K.
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Is that gugie top right?
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Decals and such








I wonder how much double butting KCL hi tension tubing saved weight on the frame? Not a very common approach....
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Here’s the pic you need to recreate, @Andy_K.
I already have that, along with the front cover pics of Takara Steve riding the bike, in my Flickr album for this bike. I'm trying to figure out how to piece together an outfit to recreate Takara Steve's look. Anybody got a leather brain net I can borrow?
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I wonder how much double butting KCL hi tension tubing saved weight on the frame? Not a very common approach....
I don't know, but I did find that if I do a Google image search for that sticker all the "visually similar images" are beer or liquor.
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Here’s the pic you need to recreate, @Andy_K.
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Is that gugie top right?
Andy's grandson can fill in for the tubular chewer, his daughter can easily pull of the J-framed ladies bike, but I think we'll need to scrounge the neighborhood for an 8-9 year old to be the kid on the left.
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Andy's grandson can fill in for the tubular chewer, his daughter can easily pull of the J-framed ladies bike, but I think we'll need to scrounge the neighborhood for a 8-9 year old for the kid on the left.
So that is you on the right after all? I had no idea you had a hat that cool.
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Spent the day cleaning parts.

MAFAC brakes are quickly becoming familiar. Halfway:



Put the rusty bits in a tub of vinegar and cleaned the rest with a damp cloth. The cute front rack needs another solution.



And done:



The saddle clamp responded very nicely to a vinegar bath:

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I commenced with the tear down today. Found the RD a might gunked up:



And here’s the serial #. Perhaps @T-Mar can decode:

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I disassembled the Takara last night. Anyone have any tips on how to clean this chain?



Seriously, though, the chain turned out to be a bit of a surprise and, perhaps, a clue about the bike's history. It's a KMC Z-series chain, so while I'm told the bike has been dormant for 10 years, it has been ridden and maintained recently enough to have a modern chain installed.

The other surprise was how few things have been stuck. I'm still working on getting the freewheel off, but some other bits, like the seat post and stem, come right out. Even the fixed side cup on the bottom bracket was easy. In fact, I may have been able to get that out without a tool. It was downright loose. And the bottom bracket was turning smoothly before disassembly. It still had grease in it.




Check out the long lugs on this beauty.



One of the really cool things about clamp on components is that they tend to preserve the original paint. I was wondering with this one whether the paint had a metallic flake, and it seems it did. I bet this was beautiful once.

The seat stay caps are also quasi nice.



The chrome on the NDS chain stay is going to need a little work.



Finally, the current state of things.



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Diacompe G 500 brakes from this era

The Takara looks like a great candidate for this challenge. The Suntour cyclone rear derailleur is a beauty. The diacompe G brakes are very common on bikes of this vintage, but I have never gotten decent performance from them. Kook stop pads, thicker cables, mob levers - nothing works for me. If I see or buy a bike with them, I just replace them with some higher quality brakes. Has anyone gotten these brakes to perform?
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The Takara looks like a great candidate for this challenge. The Suntour cyclone rear derailleur is a beauty. The diacompe G brakes are very common on bikes of this vintage, but I have never gotten decent performance from them. Kook stop pads, thicker cables, mob levers - nothing works for me. If I see or buy a bike with them, I just replace them with some higher quality brakes. Has anyone gotten these brakes to perform?
I can't find a date code on the brakes, so I was trusting VeloBase which says they're from the 80's. The serial number on the frame says it was built in 1976 (as does the date code on the crankset). Were the Dia Compe G brakes available then?

Frankly, there are very few side pull brakes that I've been happy with -- Campy Nuovo/Super Record, SunTour Superbe, and that's about it. I'm spoiled by the high mechanical advantage of dual pivot brakes.
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I wonder how much double butting KCL hi tension tubing saved weight on the frame? Not a very common approach....
Offering a more serious answer to this question, I knocked out the headset today and so I have weights. The frame checks in at 5.52 pounds, while the fork is 2.0 pounds. I don't know how much it would have weighed without butted tubes, but it isn't light.
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After cleaning the last really dirty bit ...



... the France-Sport is slowly beginning to resemble a bicycle again:



The NOS orange plastic bar tape came from a swap meet a few years ago for the princely sum of €3. I have a purple version as well, I believe.

The steel pedals, the plastic saddle and the brake levers with turkey wings all came from the Bins of Possible Regret, where I keep stuff I plan to never use again, and should throw out but don't because, well, I might regret that later.
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I can't find a date code on the brakes, so I was trusting VeloBase which says they're from the 80's. The serial number on the frame says it was built in 1976 (as does the date code on the crankset). Were the Dia Compe G brakes available then?

Frankly, there are very few side pull brakes that I've been happy with -- Campy Nuovo/Super Record, SunTour Superbe, and that's about it. I'm spoiled by the high mechanical advantage of dual pivot brakes.
I had the G brakes on two mid to late 70s Apollos but that doesn't mean a whole lot.
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