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What constitutes a Classic or Vintage bicycle?

Old 05-09-22, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Since SIS debuted in 1985, won’t you be “excluding” bikes from that year forward?
According to the Classicrendezvous (CR) forum, yes SIS bikes would be excluded. Actually anything from 1983 forward would be excluded except "keeper of the flame" bikes. Even Campagnolo C-Record parts are excluded from general discussion. This is just one point of view for classic bikes. Of course, frames that fit the CR definition of "vintage" with SIS is sort of in a grey zone but their discussion is not permitted on the CR forum.
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Well, my '89 Cinelli with Dura Ace 7400/7700 and downtube shifters certainly looks a lot more C&V than many other bikes I've seen. The CR Forum will just have to make due without the pleasure of my presence.
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Nice restoration! Your “before” pictures look about the same state of decline as what I started with. Still a nice ride after nearly 50 years.
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I think Vintage sounds better
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Over 10 years old, I reckon, and automatically vintage if steel.. lugged...
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Originally Posted by SDReames
What criteria is used to determine if a bicycle is Classic or Vintage?
I think it depends on your perspective, so I grew up in the 80's so for me a classic bike is an 80's era bike. Pretty much any bike 20 years old or older ; )
something that creates nostalgia, which is always dangerous as nostalgia can become expensive when trying to recreate your youth....
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Originally Posted by smd4
Since SIS debuted in 1985, won’t you be “excluding” bikes from that year forward?
1983 was the last period of Tullio.

1984 brought the Corsa Record ( yeah felt like 1985-86 ) but there are 1984 date coded C Record parts - I have a set of cranks so marked.
SIS was also introduced in 1984- sort of.
the Suntour patent ended Nov 1984 in the USA. October 1984 in Japan.
the parts were made and as soon as the Suntour patent ended the gates opened for distribution.

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Old 06-13-22, 07:28 PM
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No love for the Swiss C&V Bikes?

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Anyting with cottered cranks
Penny Farthings
Built by Wright Bros.
Stock with friction stem or downtube shifters, and hooped brake cables
Anything made in Japan, England, France, US or Italy
Steel rims
Equipped brazed on frame pump mounts


5/6 or 10/12 speeds
absence of any aluminum or carbon components

This is a "short list"
Lots of Belgian and Spanish bikes owners are probably grumbling, too.
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Originally Posted by joesch
Went to a classic bike show

It was quite a delight

All the bikes parked in a row

What a wonderful sight



Some are candy apple red

Others are metallic blue

Some have wild lugs and frame decals

And there's even purple ones too



These bikes are steel real beauties

They were made to last

Some were for cruising

Others to go fast



There's the classic Bianci Specialissi

And I'm willing to bet

That some still remember

The sporty Masi Prestigette



They come from a simpler time

And if truth be told

Compare to the new one's of today

I prefer yesterday's old
I must admit that usually Im not very poetic but was motivated on this day and its a spin off.
Glad to see many are still finding it
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RE: #105 smd4
Classicrendezvous (CR) has a 1983 cutoff
Eroica has an 1987 cutoff

Dates make it more difficult, think the components of any lugged steel prior to 90 should be allowed given dt shifters and ofcourse not using clip on pedal for eroica.
Id allow your Cinelli from what is described.
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Originally Posted by SDReames
What criteria is used to determine if a bicycle is Classic or Vintage?
I think "classic" might be less printed, just solid colors and a simple design, and a "vintage" might be a professional and very tight-fitting jersey Actually it doesn't have a good definition, most of the results come from those jersey vendors
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Old 08-04-22, 06:31 PM
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patina of rust

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Old 08-11-22, 03:19 PM
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Nothing constitutes a C&V bicycle….

Originally Posted by SDReames
What criteria is used to determine if a bicycle is Classic or Vintage?
Self-identify it as C&V and presto: Done.
It’s about what you want it to be.
Tradition, guidelines, generally accepted standards, all moot.
They just generate debate, and that’s not allowed.

Wait, might this thread be debate?
Uh, oh.

Since the dawn of time, someone has wanted the upper hand.

If it’s a bike, it’s C&V. There.

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Old 08-11-22, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner
It certainly is a true FAQ. I’m wondering what constitutes a classic and vintage rider.
I'm a vintage rider. My bike had to be rebuilt and so did my knees.
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4
Self-identify it as C&V and presto: Done.
It’s about what you want it to be.
Tradition, guidelines, generally accepted standards, all moot.
They just generate debate, and that’s not allowed.

Wait, might this thread be debate?
Uh, oh.

Since the dawn of time, someone has wanted the upper hand.

If it’s a bike, it’s C&V. There.
Ooooooooo... You going to try to see how thin the ice is again?

I honestly don't give 2 ***** about what's C&V. I see it more as watershed years. Large changes in the industry. I suppose they could be used as a definition, but again, I think debating it is silly. Of course the following is an approximation, plus or minus a couplethree years.

1887 - Pneumatic tires and safety bike.
1930 - Lug carving, use of aluminum, modern geometry, derailleurs
1951 - Parallel-o-gram derailleur, groupsets, paved roads
1983 - Indexing, clipless pedals, crabon fiber, aero

On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
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Originally Posted by iab
On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
*sniff*
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Originally Posted by iab
On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
I have a blue one in the pipeline waiting to be worked over. It's the rustiest thing I own and I am considering making it red when I get around to it.


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Originally Posted by SDReames
What criteria is used to determine if a bicycle is Classic or Vintage?
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Originally Posted by iab
Ooooooooo... You going to try to see how thin the ice is again?

I honestly don't give 2 ***** about what's C&V. I see it more as watershed years. Large changes in the industry. I suppose they could be used as a definition, but again, I think debating it is silly. Of course the following is an approximation, plus or minus a couplethree years.

1887 - Pneumatic tires and safety bike.
1930 - Lug carving, use of aluminum, modern geometry, derailleurs
1951 - Parallel-o-gram derailleur, groupsets, paved roads
1983 - Indexing, clipless pedals, crabon fiber, aero

On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
I should add,

2009 - Electronic shifting, power meters
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This is a long thread--bikes all look new to me--I have an Indian Scout (by Phillips) 3 speed hub dated 52--I'm original owner and it still rides well.

Neighbor offered me an old bike hanging in his garage. Saw it yesterday but difficult to access without a lift. Found it's a Triumph about sane age as my Indian
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO
A bike is classic or vintage if replacing one of the components with NOS costs more than the entire bike cost new.

John
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True story

Originally Posted by 70sSanO
A bike is classic or vintage if replacing one of the components with NOS costs more than the entire bike cost new.

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I thought it wouldn’t be an expensive hobby, before I got hooked 🤪
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What he said

Originally Posted by wrk101
it is up to each of us to define classic and vintage. My definition is different than others. I don’t think it matters. If you consider your bike classic or vintage or both, great. Don’t let my definition get in the way.
I have a 1980's era Scott MTB that I consider neither classic nor vintage. It's awesome on mountain trails though.
I have a 2002 Eddy Merckx Team SC, Easton Scandium tubing, handmade in the original Belgium factory, when Eddy was still in charge day to day and before he sold to a holding company. I consider it classic, I think most people would, but not vintage. To me, vintage features a lot of technology that's been obsoleted. Like I would consider a 1967 Camaro classic but not vintage. I would consider a 1976 Triumph TR-6 to be vintage but possibly not classic.
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