What constitutes a Classic or Vintage bicycle?
05-09-22, 07:07 PM
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According to the Classicrendezvous (CR) forum, yes SIS bikes would be excluded. Actually anything from 1983 forward would be excluded except "keeper of the flame" bikes. Even Campagnolo C-Record parts are excluded from general discussion. This is just one point of view for classic bikes. Of course, frames that fit the CR definition of "vintage" with SIS is sort of in a grey zone but their discussion is not permitted on the CR forum.
05-16-22, 11:18 AM
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Well, my '89 Cinelli with Dura Ace 7400/7700 and downtube shifters certainly looks a lot more C&V than many other bikes I've seen. The CR Forum will just have to make due without the pleasure of my presence. 
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05-19-22, 01:55 PM
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05-20-22, 09:49 AM
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06-04-22, 06:07 PM
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something that creates nostalgia, which is always dangerous as nostalgia can become expensive when trying to recreate your youth....
06-10-22, 10:21 PM
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1984 brought the Corsa Record ( yeah felt like 1985-86 ) but there are 1984 date coded C Record parts - I have a set of cranks so marked.
SIS was also introduced in 1984- sort of.
the Suntour patent ended Nov 1984 in the USA. October 1984 in Japan.
the parts were made and as soon as the Suntour patent ended the gates opened for distribution.
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06-13-22, 07:28 PM
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No love for the Swiss C&V Bikes?
Anyting with cottered cranks
Penny Farthings
Built by Wright Bros.
Stock with friction stem or downtube shifters, and hooped brake cables
Anything made in Japan, England, France, US or Italy
Steel rims
Equipped brazed on frame pump mounts
5/6 or 10/12 speeds
absence of any aluminum or carbon components
This is a "short list"
Penny Farthings
Built by Wright Bros.
Stock with friction stem or downtube shifters, and hooped brake cables
Anything made in Japan, England, France, US or Italy
Steel rims
Equipped brazed on frame pump mounts
5/6 or 10/12 speeds
absence of any aluminum or carbon components
This is a "short list"
07-17-22, 05:35 PM
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Went to a classic bike show
It was quite a delight
All the bikes parked in a row
What a wonderful sight
Some are candy apple red
Others are metallic blue
Some have wild lugs and frame decals
And there's even purple ones too
These bikes are steel real beauties
They were made to last
Some were for cruising
Others to go fast
There's the classic Bianci Specialissi
And I'm willing to bet
That some still remember
The sporty Masi Prestigette
They come from a simpler time
And if truth be told
Compare to the new one's of today
I prefer yesterday's old
It was quite a delight
All the bikes parked in a row
What a wonderful sight
Some are candy apple red
Others are metallic blue
Some have wild lugs and frame decals
And there's even purple ones too
These bikes are steel real beauties
They were made to last
Some were for cruising
Others to go fast
There's the classic Bianci Specialissi
And I'm willing to bet
That some still remember
The sporty Masi Prestigette
They come from a simpler time
And if truth be told
Compare to the new one's of today
I prefer yesterday's old
Glad to see many are still finding it
07-17-22, 05:43 PM
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RE: #105 smd4
Classicrendezvous (CR) has a 1983 cutoff
Eroica has an 1987 cutoff
Dates make it more difficult, think the components of any lugged steel prior to 90 should be allowed given dt shifters and ofcourse not using clip on pedal for eroica.
Id allow your Cinelli from what is described.
Classicrendezvous (CR) has a 1983 cutoff
Eroica has an 1987 cutoff
Dates make it more difficult, think the components of any lugged steel prior to 90 should be allowed given dt shifters and ofcourse not using clip on pedal for eroica.
Id allow your Cinelli from what is described.
07-25-22, 02:39 AM
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Actually it doesn't have a good definition, most of the results come from those jersey vendors
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08-11-22, 03:19 PM
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Nothing constitutes a C&V bicycle….
It’s about what you want it to be.
Tradition, guidelines, generally accepted standards, all moot.
They just generate debate, and that’s not allowed.
Wait, might this thread be debate?
Uh, oh.
Since the dawn of time, someone has wanted the upper hand.
If it’s a bike, it’s C&V. There.
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08-11-22, 05:14 PM
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Self-identify it as C&V and presto: Done.
It’s about what you want it to be.
Tradition, guidelines, generally accepted standards, all moot.
They just generate debate, and that’s not allowed.
Wait, might this thread be debate?
Uh, oh.
Since the dawn of time, someone has wanted the upper hand.
If it’s a bike, it’s C&V. There.
It’s about what you want it to be.
Tradition, guidelines, generally accepted standards, all moot.
They just generate debate, and that’s not allowed.
Wait, might this thread be debate?
Uh, oh.
Since the dawn of time, someone has wanted the upper hand.
If it’s a bike, it’s C&V. There.
I honestly don't give 2 ***** about what's C&V. I see it more as watershed years. Large changes in the industry. I suppose they could be used as a definition, but again, I think debating it is silly. Of course the following is an approximation, plus or minus a couplethree years.
1887 - Pneumatic tires and safety bike.
1930 - Lug carving, use of aluminum, modern geometry, derailleurs
1951 - Parallel-o-gram derailleur, groupsets, paved roads
1983 - Indexing, clipless pedals, crabon fiber, aero
On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
08-11-22, 08:34 PM
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I have a blue one in the pipeline waiting to be worked over. It's the rustiest thing I own and I am considering making it red when I get around to it.
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08-11-22, 08:42 PM
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Ooooooooo... You going to try to see how thin the ice is again?
I honestly don't give 2 ***** about what's C&V. I see it more as watershed years. Large changes in the industry. I suppose they could be used as a definition, but again, I think debating it is silly. Of course the following is an approximation, plus or minus a couplethree years.
1887 - Pneumatic tires and safety bike.
1930 - Lug carving, use of aluminum, modern geometry, derailleurs
1951 - Parallel-o-gram derailleur, groupsets, paved roads
1983 - Indexing, clipless pedals, crabon fiber, aero
On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
I honestly don't give 2 ***** about what's C&V. I see it more as watershed years. Large changes in the industry. I suppose they could be used as a definition, but again, I think debating it is silly. Of course the following is an approximation, plus or minus a couplethree years.
1887 - Pneumatic tires and safety bike.
1930 - Lug carving, use of aluminum, modern geometry, derailleurs
1951 - Parallel-o-gram derailleur, groupsets, paved roads
1983 - Indexing, clipless pedals, crabon fiber, aero
On the other hand, I know what isn't C&V. Blue bikes. They suck.
2009 - Electronic shifting, power meters
09-02-22, 11:07 AM
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This is a long thread--bikes all look new to me--I have an Indian Scout (by Phillips) 3 speed hub dated 52--I'm original owner and it still rides well.
Neighbor offered me an old bike hanging in his garage. Saw it yesterday but difficult to access without a lift. Found it's a Triumph about sane age as my Indian
Neighbor offered me an old bike hanging in his garage. Saw it yesterday but difficult to access without a lift. Found it's a Triumph about sane age as my Indian
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10-06-22, 06:13 AM
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What he said
I have a 2002 Eddy Merckx Team SC, Easton Scandium tubing, handmade in the original Belgium factory, when Eddy was still in charge day to day and before he sold to a holding company. I consider it classic, I think most people would, but not vintage. To me, vintage features a lot of technology that's been obsoleted. Like I would consider a 1967 Camaro classic but not vintage. I would consider a 1976 Triumph TR-6 to be vintage but possibly not classic.
