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Old 05-04-21, 07:53 PM
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The best way to get PC off is to burn it off.
Are there any risks involved as far as damaging the frame or any left over paint underneath the PC? Any particular directions?
I really want to get to the serial number without damaging the frame.
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PC removal experiments

Is the steerer tube PC'd? Practise removing PC there. The serial number looks very accessible. Use sandpaper to sharpen the details by sanding down the PC swamping it. If you decide to keep the PC just paint over your sanded spot with matching paint.
If the bike is what it is heralded to be and you decide to remove the PC make sure those helping you understand you weren't responsible for PCing a piece of American heritage. Some of those who take old bikes way too seriously might be irritated at whoever committed such a sin.

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Serial number

It was confirmed. The serial number is B487.


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Errrh......are you quite certain that is PC? Is that anti-rust coat, primer and final coat of three types of paint around your serial number?
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Great find. I'd love to find a vintage track bike, not too old, but old enough to be C&V.

So what are your plans for it? Are you wanting to ride it? Will it be a wall-hanger?

I hope you are able to find a head badge for it. That is something that I would think might be scarce. Or did the previous owner keep it an just not put it on?
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Yep, that looks like paint.

It's unfortunate that it is a metallic color - it looks nice, but the metalflake does stand out as something from a later era.

If you want to enjoy it as is, it'd still look nice with some repop period decals added to it before investing in a whole respray.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Yep, that looks like paint.

It's unfortunate that it is a metallic color - it looks nice, but the metalflake does stand out as something from a later era.

If you want to enjoy it as is, it'd still look nice with some repop period decals added to it before investing in a whole respray.

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Now I feel silly. Iím not an expert on paint. The previous owner had it re-painted by a car body shop up the street.

For now Iím not going to mess with it. Iíll build it up again with what it came with and enjoy riding it. It is my size after all.

Perhaps in the future I might have it repainted and put on decals by Waterford.

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That's a good result..The bike has been rustproofed! Happy days. Get some spray and proof the inside as well. Folks on here can advise you on that. You can do it yourself. Buy the correct decals and stick them on. It's a track bike so the flamboyant color is not too OTT.
Wow, you just saved yourself a thousand dollars as well as saving the frame.

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Now I feel silly. Iím not an expert on paint. The previous owner had it re-painted by a car body shop up the street.

For now Iím not going to mess with it. Iíll build it up again with what it came with and enjoy riding it. It is my size after all.

Perhaps in the future I might have it repainted and put on decals by Waterford.
Not silly at all; we definitely needed to see the SN, and it is a thick, globby, glossy paint job that looks like typical powdercoat.

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Looks like a late 38 or 39 Superior by serial number
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And furthermore you can paint on paint, maybe some socks and a seat post band of more sober colors will bring the bling factor down. Great result.
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Originally Posted by b dub View Post
It was confirmed. The serial number is B487.


cool bike. worthwhile to put some clear coat on where you sanded to keep the rust away
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Clear coat will not stop rust. Moisture passes thru clear coat.You have to paint it first. Get some touch up paint and brush it on then clear coat it.
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Great find. I'd love to find a vintage track bike, not too old, but old enough to be C&V.

So what are your plans for it? Are you wanting to ride it? Will it be a wall-hanger?

I hope you are able to find a head badge for it. That is something that I would think might be scarce. Or did the previous owner keep it an just not put it on?
Plans? I definitely want to ride it. I donít own a fixie, in fact up until last Sunday after picking up the bike I had never ridden one. So I tried it out and it is fun.

Phase 1: clean and grease it up so itís ready for riding
Phase 2: possibly gather more period correct components (actually probably not)
Phase 3: strip down the frame and have it repainted + decals (weíll see when that happens)

I doubt I will ever find a correct head badge. So a reproduction decal might have to do.



One thing: as in above picture the badge is screwed on but I canít find screw holes inside out in the head tube.
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...I doubt I will ever find a correct head badge. So a reproduction decal might have to do.



One thing: as in above picture the badge is screwed on but I canít find screw holes inside out in the head tube.
I might be able to help with one from the late '40s early '50s. I need to go to the storage locker which might not happen until the weekend.
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Questions:
1. Is there a current place on the web to report the serial number for reference?

2. Based on this picture of the bottom bracket can any of you determine if any of the layers show the previous finish/color? Is it a lighter blue, or soft yellow?


3. Is it safe to ride it with the slightly bent seat stay? (How) should it be corrected? I donít want to risk anything.

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I might be able to help with one from the late '40s early '50s. I need to go to the storage locker which might not happen until the weekend.
Seriously? I canít say Iím in a hurry😜
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@b_dub

As thorough and thick as that paint is, they may have been well filled in and very hard to see.

And while this paint is very thick, I would put up with it as long as possible, normally there would be a lot more ugly to go with it, it looks pretty darn good for how thick it is.
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As thorough and thick as that paint is, they may have been well filled in and very hard to see.
That definitely crossed my mind. But wouldnít there be holes inside the head tube?

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And while this paint is very thick, I would put up with it as long as possible, normally there would be a lot more ugly to go with it, it looks pretty darn good for how thick it is.
Agreed, which is why for now Iím leaving it be (phase 1).
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I find it amazing that I donít need any special tools. Apparently not much has changed since the late 30s.

These must be original.





but the cotter pins are not.

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That definitely crossed my mind. But wouldnít there be holes inside the head tube?



Agreed, which is why for now Iím leaving it be (phase 1).
Maybe on the holes, you never know, with all the work that went into the paint, the holes may have received the same and be very hard to tell, a tiny mirror and flashlight or right angle inspection scope may be what it takes to see good enough. Those parts should be original and I am going to PM you.
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3. Is it safe to ride it with the slightly bent seat stay? (How) should it be corrected? I donít want to risk anything.
Repairable with a Park SS-1: https://www.parktool.com/product/sea...%20mar%20paint.

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Oh I was asked about the wheel set.

From the previous owner I know that the tubulars were replaced by clinchers.

27Ē x 1 1/4, 36 spokes, front/back
- front: small flange Atom hub, rim Kaga
- rear: large flange Normandy hub, Weinmann rim, 18t fixed, canít find make

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Repairable with a Park SS-1: https://www.parktool.com/product/sea...%20mar%20paint.

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