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Help Identifying Vintage Cinelli 5 Speed

Old 05-09-21, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
See posts 13 and 21.
Those posts appear to me to say

a) 4-digit numbers are a mess
b) pre-80's numbers are a mess

So is the question "how many digits" equal to "is it four digits" (with the then helpful answer of "if yes, give up")?

And what about pre-80's frames with three digit numbers, can I assume "four" really means "four or less"?
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Old 05-09-21, 11:35 AM
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I wonder if the owner kept records - a journal/data sheet/notebook? Who knows what else was done at the time of repaint? Regardless, the bike looks fantastic from where I'm sitting. I have the vintage Italian box checked for myself, but if that weren't the case I'd strongly consider springing for this bike if a size match. Shouldn't be a problem finding a buyer.
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Old 05-09-21, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Well, depending on the number of bikes, why would a non-enthusiast want to deal with it? Let's say your great aunt or great uncle left you their high-end large widget collection. You know nothing about these large widgets. Yes, you can go through the hassle of individual listings and the large pain in the ass of proper shipment and get top dollar through ebay. Let's be real, for high-end top dollar, ebay is it. This place and CR is mostly bottom feeders. I think Facebook is a better option than here.

Or, you take the wholesale price and save yourself a lot of time and stress. Depends on what you value more.
Fiduciary responsibility with multiple beneficiaries.
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Old 05-09-21, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by oneclick View Post
Those posts appear to me to say

a) 4-digit numbers are a mess
b) pre-80's numbers are a mess

So is the question "how many digits" equal to "is it four digits" (with the then helpful answer of "if yes, give up")?

And what about pre-80's frames with three digit numbers, can I assume "four" really means "four or less"?
the serials with less than four significant digits are thin on the ground.
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Old 05-09-21, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Fiduciary responsibility with multiple beneficiaries.
I'm not wishing for more money at this point in life, and I'm not terribly old. I also think money is not the root of all good. But I may be in the minority with that opinion.
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Old 05-09-21, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
the serials with less than four significant digits are thin on the ground.
That's what you'd expect (mathematically, I assume there are no duplicates), but are the three-digit frames no different in randomness or date?
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Old 05-09-21, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
I'm not wishing for more money at this point in life, and I'm not terribly old. I also think money is not the root of all good. But I may be in the minority with that opinion.
May you be blessed with few who think they deserve More upon your departure.
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Old 05-09-21, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by oneclick View Post
That's what you'd expect (mathematically, I assume there are no duplicates), but are the three-digit frames no different in randomness or date?
No idea, and the "system" if there was any might at its heart been to confuse the scrutiny of the Tax man.
"we don't build that many, here look at the serial number ledger"
Post CPSC rules in the USA, and later rules in the EU, changed that, trace-ability for recalls, etc.
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...gee whiz, that's pretty. I have a couple of Cycle Art paint jobs out in the garage, and they did, indeed, do wonderful work. This reminds me that I have promised my wife I will start selling off my bikes this year.
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Old 05-09-21, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
I'm not wishing for more money at this point in life, and I'm not terribly old. I also think money is not the root of all good. But I may be in the minority with that opinion.
...not enough money is bad for you. Too much money is bad for you. It's like money has risks associated with it, no matter which direction you go.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
May you be blessed with few who think they deserve More upon your departure.
I'll be dead. They can pound sand.
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Old 05-09-21, 04:38 PM
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...not enough money is bad for you. Too much money is bad for you. It's like money has risks associated with it, no matter which direction you go.
My wild guess is people on this site can piss away money on a silly object. If they are wringing their hands, the root ain't money.
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I'll be dead. They can pound sand.
You seem nice.
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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
You seem nice.
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know the dead had empathy. I also didn't know I needed empathy for anyone fighting over my remaining nickels.

But go ahead, make money your focus in life and celebrate it. Seems like it is a use of time.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know the dead had empathy. I also didn't know I needed empathy for anyone fighting over my remaining nickels.

But go ahead, make money your focus in life and celebrate it. Seems like it is a use of time.
There may be a fiduciary obligation to get fair value for the estate.

You seem particularly annoyed that someone may want to get fair value for the goods a loved one left behind.

Iíll repeat, you seem nice. /s
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Old 05-09-21, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
I'll be dead. They can pound sand.
not the issue. Hopefully those you have had influence over are not greedy and learned well.
the fiduciary responsibility is a burden actually, an executor is obliged to obtain good value.
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And now, back to our regular programming.

Land o' Goshen, that's a pretty bike.

Based on my experience, it'll ride real nice, too.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
For best dollars, eBay. That's a worldwide market. I would avoid Facebook or CL for something this high end.

Another thing to consider is 'who did he know?". Most collectors at this level have a network of friends and contacts; they buy, sell, and trade among each other and ogle each others' collections. That's all part of the fun. If I kicked it tomorrow, Mrs. Doc would know to contact some of my bike-ish buddies. Would be worth going through his e-mail and online/social connections to contact these acquaintances to see if any of them would be interested in one or more of the bikes. You may even locate someone who will buy several to add to their collection.

Under any circumstances, you will have to ship at least some of them.

Spend a few bucks for a membership and post here - also on Classic Rendezvous, The Paceline and Velocipede Salon -with good pictures. There are enthusiasts with money on all of those sites.
Do some advance work and figure out a safe, reasonably priced shipping scheme using a combination of a local shop to pack them properly and and a shipping aggregator like Bike Flights or Ship Bikes.
Thank you rccardr
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