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Frejus frame early 70s - what is it?

Old 05-15-21, 10:11 AM
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Frejus frame early 70s - what is it?

I recently picked up two early 70s frames from the same tall owner, a 1973 Raleigh Competition with Capella lugs (Iíll post about this one later) and this 62 cm Frejus.



The paint is cosmetically challenged but the structure seems solid. The serial number is 32300.

There happens to be another Frejus(Tour De France, sold) on eBay with a very similar serial number: 32309. The seller claims itís a 1972.

As you might see in the pictures the frame is all chrome below the paint.

It came with a mismatch of components.
The Campagnolo Nuovo Record rear derailleur date stamp is 73. There is no tubing sticker and the head badge is missing.

The seller bought it in 1992 and hasnít changed anything since.





Am I correct that this frame is a Tour de France? What about the tubing?

Additional pictures can be found here.

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Frame model

Does anybody have any clue what model this frame is? Is it a TDF?
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have always suspected the TdF to be an appelation - a kind of subtitle for the marque rather than a model name

taken because of a once success of the marque in the event

when one looks at Frejus bicycles of the '60's and '70's there are an assortment which their owners refer to by this name

situation somewhat like that of San Remo for Falcon where more than one model carries a San Remo transfer on its chainstay

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Weigh it. That will tell you something useful about the tube set. Have you checked the steerer tube carefully for tubeset mfgr marks? The frame has some "high end" details like the tangs extending under the fork crown, windowed escutcheons on the brake bridge, and chrome head tube lugs and fork crown; but the lugset itself is nothing to write home about, and the finishing of the seat post opening is so plain. Maybe a great utilitarian racing bike. I find the presence of top-of-BB cable guides on a frame of supposedly early 70s manufacture odd -- think of those as being an early-80s thing; but possibly Frejus was just an early adopter on that.
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... I find the presence of top-of-BB cable guides on a frame of supposedly early 70s manufacture odd -- think of those as being an early-80s thing; but possibly Frejus was just an early adopter on that.
I've seen them on 1969/70ish Legnano frames as well - maybe the Frejus/Legnano operation was early to this?
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I just took delivery of an early '70's Frejus frame. This one is in Legnano lizard yellow, has over the BB brazed on derailleur cable guides, and also has a Legnano style seat lug with the pinch bolt in front of the lug. There are no top tube brake cable braze-ons, and no fender eyelets on the dropouts.
The Legnano Roma I have was dated at 1969/1970 by Mark Campbell over at https://condorino.com/
The Legnano has over the bb derailleur cable guides as well, and has under the top tube brake cable guides.Mark does have a section on Frejus bikes, you may want to take a look at it.
From what I see of your bike, it appears to me as a top end model, either called a Corsa Speciale, or Professional. The TdF, from what I recall, and it's been a while, had stamped dropouts and a Valentino drivetrain. Yours obviously has Campagnolo dropouts. Edit: the TdF was Falck tubing but had an NR drivetrain. I was thinking of the Mezza Corsa.
https://condorino.com/tag/frejus/
Dale's Classic Rendezvous site has a Frejus serial number database. You may have some luck finding a serial number close to what you have and could be helpful determining a year of manufacture.
Frejus serial number chart
Lugwork on both my Legnano and Frejus are nothing special, at least compared to some of the other high end frames coming out of Italy, Masi, for example.


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