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1980s Japanese bike with Tange Prestige tubing?

Old 05-18-21, 02:51 PM
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I briefly owned a nishiki team issue that was tange prestige. Equipped with 6 speed dura ace, so probably dates to the 80s. I have a pic of it somewhere, I will post it up if I find it.
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My vote for the Centurion Prestige, made three years 1985,86, and 1989

Here is my 1989 Prestige
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Late to the game, but I've a Zunow that's full Tange Prestige. I'll take a full shot and upload it when I get the chance.
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Originally Posted by fleslider View Post
My vote for the Centurion Prestige, made three years 1985,86, and 1989

Here is my 1989 Prestige
Sounds like the leading candidates are: Panasonic, Nishiki and Centurion (in terms of actually being able to find one).
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This year of this model had Prestige tubing. 1992, I think.


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Originally Posted by BradH View Post
I bought my wife a Novara Team frame & fork. Sticker says Tange Prestige. It is lugged. I'm not sure who made it for REI but it seems to be very nice.
This was made with the second version of Tange Prestige in the early 90s. .3/.6/.9 gauge tubing. the .6 properly rounded would be .7 like the Reynolds .38 mid section should be .4 mm

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Old 09-08-21, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tendency View Post
'84/'85 Specialized Allez .. good luck finding one of those
Never heard of a '84 Tange Prestige since the tubing came out in '85.
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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
Centurian, Bridgestone, Lotus and Miyata. Probably every Japanese manufacturer back then.
Here is a list of Lotus bikes: https://classicjapanesebicycles.com/lotus-sn/
None on the list was built with Tange Prestige including the Prestige.
There are Bridgestone MB-1 mountain bikes, but are there any road models with Prestige tubing.

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I bought a Schwinn Prologue from Bike Nashbar when they first came out .Tange Prestige tubing was highly regarded and was favorable to SLX at almost half the cost. All around an excellent frame, and great tubing.
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I used to have one of those, stripped it, now just a frame.
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Originally Posted by BradH View Post
I bought my wife a Novara Team frame & fork. Sticker says Tange Prestige. It is lugged. I'm not sure who made it for REI but it seems to be very nice.
I had a Team for a while. It was indeed Prestige. It also had the same frame geometry as an Eddy Merckx of the same era, which model escapes me. Story I was told was that REI wanted to round out their bike line in an attempt to look like a serious player. They needed a top end road bike. As an Asian built bike, Dura Ace was the easy component choice. Their bikes already used Tange, so Prestige was a no brainer. Geometry? The request was for a road bike. Who says road racing like the man himself? So they looked at a EM catalogue and followed that geometry. If I ever come across one again in my size, Id buy it.
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I have a 1989-90 Japanese MTB with Prestige tubing, and it rides wonderfully. No pic because it's a repaint with no decals, so I don't see the point. Plus it was from a small builder that nobody outside of Japan (where I bought it) has heard of. Just sayin.
"I don't see the point."

Picture Assistance?
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Originally Posted by onyerleft View Post
I have a 1989-90 Japanese MTB with Prestige tubing, and it rides wonderfully. No pic because it's a repaint with no decals, so I don't see the point. Plus it was from a small builder that nobody outside of Japan (where I bought it) has heard of. Just sayin.
Pretty sure many here would geek out on a quality tube MTB from a small Japanese builder, even if it's been repainted.
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Originally Posted by onyerleft View Post
I have a 1989-90 Japanese MTB with Prestige tubing, and it rides wonderfully. No pic because it's a repaint with no decals, so I don't see the point. Plus it was from a small builder that nobody outside of Japan (where I bought it) has heard of. Just sayin.
All the more reason to post it. If the serial number format is distnctive, it might help us to identify some otherwise obscure bicycle in the future.
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As found.

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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
As found.
1985 model.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
1985 model.
Yep. I'd like to know if any of the lavender 86's ever made it to the States. I've never even seen a photo of one. Only the one in the catalog.
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
This year of this model had Prestige tubing. 1992, I think.
The Trionfo was still Tange No. 1 in 1992. It didn't get the Prestige upgrade until 1993 and used it though 1995. We may be able to tell the year from the serial number, as other Novara from this period were built by Fairly of Taiwan, who have a known serial number format.
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Yep. I'd like to know if any of the lavender 86's ever made it to the States. I've never even seen a photo of one. Only the one in the catalog.
There's no reason why there shouldn't be any, given that Centurion was owned by Western States Imports, a USA based company. However, having said, I don't believe there are any in my database. This model was the standard issue for the Centurion - Texas Metros women's team, along with the Facet, which was used in some hillier races. Still, they don't appear to have been a good sellier, being dropped for 1987 and only revived in 1989 when they supplied Eddie B's new Montgomery - Avenir team.

BTW, would you mind posting the serial number for the 1985 Prestige? The few I have in the database are all a purely numerical format, which doesn't turn up on any other Centurion.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
There's no reason why there shouldn't be any, given that Centurion was owned by Western States Imports, a USA based company. However, having said, I don't believe there are any in my database. This model was the standard issue for the Centurion - Texas Metros women's team, along with the Facet, which was used in some hillier races. Still, they don't appear to have been a good sellier, being dropped for 1987 and only revived in 1989 when they supplied Eddie B's new Montgomery - Avenir team.

BTW, would you mind posting the serial number for the 1985 Prestige? The few I have in the database are all a purely numerical format, which doesn't turn up on any other Centurion.
Ask and you shall receive.

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Got timed out, so pictures later. My favorite are my two 1987 Schwinn Prologues (Panasonics). Next up is a 1988 Panasonic DX6000. I've also had three made in Japan Prestige MTBs: two Shogun Team Issue Prairie Breakers and one Fuji Professional.


1987 Prologue

1988 Shogun Team Issue Prairie Breaker 24/26

1988+/- Shogun Team Issue Prairie Breaker 26'r




Tubing decal on the 26r Shogun

Tubing decal on the 24/26 Shogun

Tubing decal on the DX-6000


Black and Gray 1987 Prologue decal.

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Old 09-11-21, 10:20 AM
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Ask and you shall receive.
Thank you taking the time to do this for me. It is the same format as the others and, in fact, is very close to one owned by another BF member, who has frame 856006!
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Originally Posted by AeroGut View Post
Discussed in this thread: Tange Prestige Quality

Short version: the classic 80's Prestige was 7/4/7 butted, whereas the current "Prestige" that SOMA uses is 8/5/8. There is also a current "Prestige JPN" higher grade that is 7/4/7 like the vintage version, but additionally heat treated. SOMA also uses oversized tubes on many models, which further makes them heavier and stiffer than a classic Prestige frame.

EDIT: Later in that thread it says SOMA uses heat treated tubing, which would seem to mean the 7/4/7 Prestige JPN rather than the plain Prestige. So it's closer to the vintage Prestige, but still with larger diameter on most models than a vintage race frame (28.6 top tube and 31.8 down tube vs 25.4 and 28.6 in 80's).
Even my 1991 ParkPre 925R uses the second version of the Prestige, which is not as good. I am assuming there is .9mm at the ends to make it easier to braze. You did not need to to certified to build Prestige unlike Reynolds 753.
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All Tange Prestige tubesets were heat treated. Original Prestige was standard imperial diameter with 0.7/0.4/0.7mm thickness in the top and down tubes, with three different gauges and configurations of seat tubes available. Then, in the late 1980s they introduced Prestige Super Lite with standard imperial diameter tubes and 06/0.3/0.6 in the top and down tubes, and two different gauges and configurations of seat tubes. It was about 100g lighter. In the 1990s a heavier gauge top tube and two heavier gauges of downtubes were added a
Anybody know what years were the first 2 versions of Prestige? From my readings, I always thought the original went from 1985-1990.
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