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What were/are top-end japanese frames?

Old 05-29-21, 07:59 AM
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What were/are top-end japanese frames?

Asking for a friend - well, no, not a friend, just a fellow who asked me; but he says he wants period correct original condition 80's 56-58cm as he wants to put a Superbe Pro groupset on it. I do not know what his budget is but if he knows all those words I suspect he's not looking for cheap. Bikes that recent aren't my thing, what should he look for?
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Schwinn Peloton and Schwinn Prologue, both made by Panasonic for Schwinn.
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Yep, to echo the above comments.

Fuji Opus III is superb:







With Superbe Pro, good stuff!

My Prologue was a bit rough cosmetically but such a fine ride!


Dura Ace goodness

Tange Prestige is quality stuff!
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I'm very happy with the Nishiki Competition. I am also on the the bandwagon for the Univega Gran Premio, and Miyata Professional, those round out my Japanese built.
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Any of the top models from the Japanese marks, beyond the ones mentioned above, Univega made some beautiful bikes. Well, they were built by Miyata, but still beautiful.
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I'm very happy with the Nishiki Competition. I am also on the the bandwagon for the Univega Gran Premio, and Miyata Professional, those round out my Japanese built.
What model year? Kawamura frames improved substantially during the 1970s. I happily put 40K miles over 20 years on my 1971 American Eagle Semi-Pro / Nishiki Competition until the seat tube lug broke away from the bottom bracket shell, and only later learned how much better some of the European frames of the time were.

I do like my 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10 mountain bike, which reportedly nearly matches a high end Panasonic model in geometry and Tange Prestige tubing specs.
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Univega Competizione -- mine is an 82 that had Cyclone MKII stock, but I think the next year (?) they started using Superbe. Made of Champion #1.

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What about the top end of Lotus bikes, during the time when they were being built by Tsunoda? My Supreme is build out of Tange Champion #2 tubing.
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Iím loving my 3Rensho and the workmanship is really beautiful.



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Hope your friend/acquaintance is ready to pay some serious coin for both a top-flight frameset as well as Superbe Pro groupset (if he doesn't have it already). Market is NUTS right now.
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Hope your friend/acquaintance is ready to pay some serious coin for both a top-flight frameset as well as Superbe Pro groupset (if he doesn't have it already). Market is NUTS right now.
man, it is!!
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man, it is!!
And this is after it was already crazy!! I just...yeah... Just go buy a 7700 or 7800 groupset, everyone. More gears, better performance, more compatibility, and looks quite lovely to boot. Same or less money!
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shogun made some nice bikes....
(not mine)

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What model year? Kawamura frames improved substantially during the 1970s. I happily put 40K miles over 20 years on my 1971 American Eagle Semi-Pro / Nishiki Competition until the seat tube lug broke away from the bottom bracket shell, and only later learned how much better some of the European frames of the time were.
Thank you for asking. My Nishiki is a 1977, it is my favored of mine. A Brooks saddle with a homemade leather Almac style wrap. I did a dual pivot conversion to replace the Diacomp G calipers with Dura Ace 7400.



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