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Old 06-06-21, 08:43 PM
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Team Miyata Opinions

Have become a Miyata fan boy after making the 1982 Miyata 1000 my daily ride for a year and cant get enough of it. Its my cheapest, heaviest and most beat up bike, but I love the way it rides. The other day I also seen a Team Miyata pop up not too far away from me and I'm getting tempted. Just wanted to get some input on how the ride is and what it compares to. Is it as people say it is?

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Old 06-06-21, 08:56 PM
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I have the 1980 Professional, one of the finest. I'm very happy with the ride, not the lightest, but the ride is electric!!! If it's still available I would not hesitate they are everything you ever heard, and a bag of chips.
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You are comparing a touring bike to a top of the line road racing sport bike. I have a 1983 Univega Super Strada
which used the same frame. I imagine the Miyata Team will be faster and lighter but not nearly as smooth of
a ride.
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The Team Miyata will be lighter, stiffer and more responsive, to both pedal and steering input. While that all sounds positive, given your love for the 1000, you may find it uncomfortably stiff and responsive to the point of being twitchy/nervous. Some riders can adapt quickly from one bicycle to another, while others can't. You really need to test ride it (for as long as possible).
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Thank you for the replies, just to elaborate... I want something stiffer and livelier for when I feel a little frisky. The little bit of extra weight wouldn't bother me, I just want a solid steel ride and wondering if this is it.
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Old 06-07-21, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by illenvillain View Post
Have become a Miyata fan boy after making the 1982 Miyata 1000 my daily ride for a year and cant get enough of it. Its my cheapest, heaviest and most beat up bike, but I love the way it rides. The other day I also seen a Team Miyata pop up not too far away from me and I'm getting tempted. Just wanted to get some input on how the ride is and what it compares to. Is it as people say it is?

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Old 06-07-21, 11:42 AM
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The Univega I've got is - I'm not sure it's the same, but it's very similar to the Team Miyata- same manufacturer. It's a pure crit bike. It'll be twitchy, extremely responsive, a bit harsh, but it'll love to go fast.
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Old 06-07-21, 12:42 PM
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Interesting that you say that

Originally Posted by illenvillain View Post
Have become a Miyata fan boy after making the 1982 Miyata 1000 my daily ride for a year and cant get enough of it. Its my cheapest, heaviest and most beat up bike, but I love the way it rides. The other day I also seen a Team Miyata pop up not too far away from me and I'm getting tempted. Just wanted to get some input on how the ride is and what it compares to. Is it as people say it is?

Thanks and Happy Riding!
Interesting that you say the 1000 is your daily rider, as my 89 is like that also. I also have an 82 that is like that so the sluggish touring bike ride doesnít compute with me. I suppose I havenít been on crit bikes. From what you have learned, and read, you have to try it and see.
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I'm shooting from the hip, without diving into actual specs and such, which would be tough to do since we don't know what year models we're comparing here. That is not a criticism of the OP, that is me looking for excuses for shooting from the hip.

I'd be surprised if any Team Miyata was heavier than any Miyata 1000. So I doubt it'll be heavier.

My impression of the Team Miyata and Pro Miyata is they were not models that started as Euro-flavored stage-race frames, then morphed into US-flavored crit-race suffer machines. I think they sprang forth on the world as tight, quick-handling race frames for short/tight circuit racing.

Stiffer/livelier/friskier can be fun. Just understand it won't be a stiffer frame on the same width tires you're likely running on the 1000, it'll be a stiffer frame on probably much narrower tires. It's not just about the frame, it's also very much about the tires. Again, I don't know exact specs, but you're very possibly maxing out at 25mm tires on a Team. The _idea_ of stiffer/livelier can be great, whereas the _reality_ of stiffer/livelier on 25mm tires on crappy pavement may not be so great. I'd be budgeting a goodly amount of dough for the nicest narrow tires I could find. If they'll fit true 28mm tires, I'd dial back that warning quite a bit.

But as Mr. Spock once said: "After a time, you may find that 'having' is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as 'wanting.' It is not logical, but it is often true."

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Thank you for the replies, just to elaborate... I want something stiffer and livelier for when I feel a little frisky. The little bit of extra weight wouldn't bother me, I just want a solid steel ride and wondering if this is it.
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I'm shooting from the hip, without diving into actual specs and such, which would be tough to do since we don't know what year models we're comparing here. That is not a criticism of the OP, that is me looking for excuses for shooting from the hip.

I'd be surprised if any Team Miyata was heavier than any Miyata 1000. So I doubt it'll be heavier.

My impression of the Team Miyata and Pro Miyata is they were not models that started as Euro-flavored stage-race frames, then morphed into US-flavored crit-race suffer machines. I think they sprang forth on the world as tight, quick-handling race frames for short/tight circuit racing.

Stiffer/livelier/friskier can be fun. Just understand it won't be a stiffer frame on the same width tires you're likely running on the 1000, it'll be a stiffer frame on probably much narrower tires. It's not just about the frame, it's also very much about the tires. Again, I don't know exact specs, but you're very possibly maxing out at 25mm tires on a Team. The _idea_ of stiffer/livelier can be great, whereas the _reality_ of stiffer/livelier on 25mm tires on crappy pavement may not be so great. I'd be budgeting a goodly amount of dough for the nicest narrow tires I could find. If they'll fit true 28mm tires, I'd dial back that warning quite a bit.

But as Mr. Spock once said: "After a time, you may find that 'having' is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as 'wanting.' It is not logical, but it is often true."
I agree with what you say. My 83 Super Strada has the same Miyata frame and 25mm tires on it. Just by looking I don't think 28s
would fit on it.
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When I worked in a bike shop, I bought and raced on a 1990 team miyata. I thought it was as fine a production racing bike as you could buy at that time. It has splined tubing and all the lugs were investment cast. It was not a super light bike.

I've never had a better handling bike. For what it's worth, the Miyata rep told me that this was the same frame that the pros rode in Europe. I dunno if it was true but it could well have been. I don't think it was a pure crit bike. It was a road racing bike suitable for long distance rides as well.
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Originally Posted by robertj298 View Post
I agree with what you say. My 83 Super Strada has the same Miyata frame and 25mm tires on it. Just by looking I don't think 28s
would fit on it.
Damn, was hoping 28s would fit on it. This might be a deal breaker, as the roads here are terrible and Iíve gotten used to the plush ride the 1 1/4 panaracer paselas provide.
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Originally Posted by illenvillain View Post
Damn, was hoping 28s would fit on it. This might be a deal breaker, as the roads here are terrible and Iíve gotten used to the plush ride the 1 1/4 panaracer paselas provide.
I Jane another bike with 28s on it. Iíll swap em and see if they fit
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Originally Posted by illenvillain View Post
Damn, was hoping 28s would fit on it. This might be a deal breaker, as the roads here are terrible and Iíve gotten used to the plush ride the 1 1/4 panaracer paselas provide.
No! No! do not ride that bike with 28s on it - blasphemy!

If you're going to do that I have a nice 27 lb. 1980 Miyata 310 that I'll trade ya.
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Originally Posted by robertj298 View Post
I Jane another bike with 28s on it. Iíll swap em and see if they fit
Not that I think about it my bike had the rims changed to clinchers so that probably wonít work
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A 62cm Team Miyata has been for sale near me for a couple of months. Latest price is $400. Not sure of the year, but appears to be in nice condition.
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A 62cm Team Miyata has been for sale near me for a couple of months. Latest price is $400. Not sure of the year, but appears to be in nice condition.
To my knowledge they never made a 62cm .. just 63. And, a 63cm Team Miyata has been on my wish list for a looooong time. Where are you located? Is the listing on CL? Do you have pics?
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To my knowledge they never made a 62cm .. just 63. And, a 63cm Team Miyata has been on my wish list for a looooong time. Where are you located? Is the listing on CL? Do you have pics?


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Looks like an '83 judging by the paint. Seems to be missing the downtube decal. Thanks for posting the pics. Does it have Shimano Dura Ace EX components? Do you know the seller? I'd be interested in the bike potentially if they're willing to ship. Thanks again!
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I think that if the OP can achieve a good fit with a 10cm or longer stem, and with the saddle rails mid-way in the post clamps, that the TEAM will be a great rider even as it contrasts quite sharply with the 1000.

If the OP just want's a more-lively 1000 frame, then the more-common Six-Ten would be the bike, since it has (sport touring) frame angles mid-way between the 1000 and the TEAM.

Upright racing frames seldom handle well when fitted with shorter stems, higher bars and more rear-set saddle position, all of which conspire to take weight off the front end (with twitchy steering the result).

For reference, my 1984 Nine-Ten handles extremely well during spirited riding with it's stock stem, a few inches of bar drop, and moderate saddle setback.

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Looks like an '83 judging by the paint. Seems to be missing the downtube decal. Thanks for posting the pics. Does it have Shimano Dura Ace EX components? Do you know the seller? I'd be interested in the bike potentially if they're willing to ship. Thanks again!
Don't know the seller, & not sure if the bike has the original components. I can reach out & try to find out.
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Don't know the seller, & not sure if the bike has the original components. I can reach out & try to find out.
If you don't mind contacting the seller and finding out I'd really appreciate it.

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I'm pretty sure I have a shorter upper body, so I would be riding it with a 80mm stem or so. My 1000 has a 60mm stem and I love the way it handles.

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I think that if the OP can achieve a good fit with a 10cm or longer stem, and with the saddle rails mid-way in the post clamps, that the TEAM will be a great rider even as it contrasts quite sharply with the 1000.

If the OP just want's a more-lively 1000 frame, then the more-common Six-Ten would be the bike, since it has (sport touring) frame angles mid-way between the 1000 and the TEAM.

Upright racing frames seldom handle well when fitted with shorter stems, higher bars and more rear-set saddle position, all of which conspire to take weight off the front end (with twitchy steering the result).

For reference, my 1984 Nine-Ten handles extremely well during spirited riding with it's stock stem, a few inches of bar drop, and moderate saddle setback.

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Go for it if it fits you. I love my 81 Team Miyata.
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Go for it if it fits you. I love my 81 Team Miyata.
what would you compare the ride to?
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