C&V road frames with modern STI/Ergo
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C&V road frames with modern STI/Ergo
Figured a new thread could start on this forum for the modernization builds where 10, 11, and 12sp drivetrains(or inevitably more cogs in the future) are paired to the C&V road frames we love.
Here are a couple to start.
1988 Schwinn Premis frame with Shimano 5800 105 drivetrain, innicycle headset, and 28mm Panaracer GK slick tires. The frame was destroyed when I got it- rust on every tube, cable guides busted, etc. Brazed on some new cable guides and had it powdercoated.

1989 Novara Trionfo frame with Shimano 105 5800 drivetrain, innicycle headset, and 25mm Conti GP5k TDF skinwall tires. One of my kids asked for her road bike to be painted so I took it to the powdercoater and snuck this frame along with it. We now have matching bikes which she is a good sport about.
Here are a couple to start.
1988 Schwinn Premis frame with Shimano 5800 105 drivetrain, innicycle headset, and 28mm Panaracer GK slick tires. The frame was destroyed when I got it- rust on every tube, cable guides busted, etc. Brazed on some new cable guides and had it powdercoated.

1989 Novara Trionfo frame with Shimano 105 5800 drivetrain, innicycle headset, and 25mm Conti GP5k TDF skinwall tires. One of my kids asked for her road bike to be painted so I took it to the powdercoater and snuck this frame along with it. We now have matching bikes which she is a good sport about.

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Oh good! Another opportunity to share pics!
1988/89 De Rosa Professional. Campagnolo Record 10V, Calipers are Titanium model, the rest I don't know, just 10 speed parts. Ambrosio Nemesis tubular with Vittoria G+, Miche post, Cinelli 1R stem, 64-40 bar, Brooks Swallow, with Look Keo. Oh and Wahoo Roam and Silca pump.
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1988/89 De Rosa Professional. Campagnolo Record 10V, Calipers are Titanium model, the rest I don't know, just 10 speed parts. Ambrosio Nemesis tubular with Vittoria G+, Miche post, Cinelli 1R stem, 64-40 bar, Brooks Swallow, with Look Keo. Oh and Wahoo Roam and Silca pump.

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Can I be the first to ask if Double Tap are also allowed on this thread? What about Gevenalle shifters?

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ok I will play
85 Team miyata, 105 5800 11 speed, brooks swift Currently running ultegra/open pro with conti 5000 gp 28 or ultegra hubs with mavic tubular and 30mm Corsa Control tubies (the vittoria corsa g+ in this pic were too flat prone)
85 Team miyata, 105 5800 11 speed, brooks swift Currently running ultegra/open pro with conti 5000 gp 28 or ultegra hubs with mavic tubular and 30mm Corsa Control tubies (the vittoria corsa g+ in this pic were too flat prone)

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I can't remember what I've already shared in the other thread, but since it's on another forum now, I'll just dump a bunch here. Some of these are from the "early brifter" era, but I put 10-speed on them, so they can go here right?
1987 Gitane with 9-speed Campagnolo Daytona

1997 Fausto Coppi Reparto Corse with 10-speed Shimano 105

1970-ish Stella SX-76 with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Comp Triple

1983 3Rensho-built Specialized Allez with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Comp Triple

1972 Motobecane Grand Record with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Racing Triple

1997 Colnago C97 with 10-speed Shimano Ultegra

1987 Pinarello Montello with 11-speed Campagnolo Athena

1987-ish Serotta Colorado "King of the Mountain" with 10-speed Veloce/Racing Triple

1980-something Viner with 10-speed Shimano Tiagra
1987 Gitane with 9-speed Campagnolo Daytona

1997 Fausto Coppi Reparto Corse with 10-speed Shimano 105

1970-ish Stella SX-76 with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Comp Triple

1983 3Rensho-built Specialized Allez with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Comp Triple

1972 Motobecane Grand Record with 10-speed Campagnolo Centaur/Racing Triple

1997 Colnago C97 with 10-speed Shimano Ultegra

1987 Pinarello Montello with 11-speed Campagnolo Athena

1987-ish Serotta Colorado "King of the Mountain" with 10-speed Veloce/Racing Triple

1980-something Viner with 10-speed Shimano Tiagra

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My sons recently built up 1984 Serotta.
6700 Ultegra: shifters, derailleurs, & brakes
Dura Ace 7410 crankset and bottom bracket
Bontrager racelite wheels


And a picture of bike and rider.
6700 Ultegra: shifters, derailleurs, & brakes
Dura Ace 7410 crankset and bottom bracket
Bontrager racelite wheels


And a picture of bike and rider.
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This one was built up back in 2007-8 from a frame I bought on Ebay. I don't know the exact age. It's a Battaglin, built from Columbus MAX which makes it post-1987, and the cable routing at the BB suggests it predates brifters, because there's too much cable friction unless you run teflon liners around the cables. Repainted and built up with 2006 Chorus, then recently refitted with a medium cage Veloce rear derailleur to accomodate a 12-30 cassette. It was my 'go to' bike for at least a decade.

This one was bought with STIs, back in 1997, but the serial number dates the frame to 1992. Ritchey Road Logic, originally with full 7410 Dura Ace. The date codes on the crank and brakes date to 1996, so I guess the frame was hanging around the shop unsold for a while before they built it up. I rode it as an 8-speed till Fall of 2019, when I realized the 39x25 lowest gear was keeping me from using it. I bought a 7800 rear derailleur and STIs, as well as a 12-30 cassette, and kept the rest of it as is. Originally white, I had it repainted in 2007 by the guy who painted all Ritchey frames for a long time. It is the best shifting bike I have. The shifting is almost silent, with the only sound being the *click* from the STIs.

This one was bought with STIs, back in 1997, but the serial number dates the frame to 1992. Ritchey Road Logic, originally with full 7410 Dura Ace. The date codes on the crank and brakes date to 1996, so I guess the frame was hanging around the shop unsold for a while before they built it up. I rode it as an 8-speed till Fall of 2019, when I realized the 39x25 lowest gear was keeping me from using it. I bought a 7800 rear derailleur and STIs, as well as a 12-30 cassette, and kept the rest of it as is. Originally white, I had it repainted in 2007 by the guy who painted all Ritchey frames for a long time. It is the best shifting bike I have. The shifting is almost silent, with the only sound being the *click* from the STIs.

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I like the substitution of the 7410 crank into the 6700 group. The new Shimano cranks are just so hard to pair with a steel frame, aesthetically.
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In that case...
1983 Specialized Sequoia with Gevenalle 10-speed shifters, Shimano Deore rear derailleur, SunTour XC front derailleur, and Campagnolo Racing Triple crank (something for everyone!)

1975 Motobecane Gugificazione Grand Jubilé with Gevenalle-x-Campagnolo 10-speed shifters, Chorus long cage rear derailleur, and Racing T crank and front derailleur
1983 Specialized Sequoia with Gevenalle 10-speed shifters, Shimano Deore rear derailleur, SunTour XC front derailleur, and Campagnolo Racing Triple crank (something for everyone!)

1975 Motobecane Gugificazione Grand Jubilé with Gevenalle-x-Campagnolo 10-speed shifters, Chorus long cage rear derailleur, and Racing T crank and front derailleur

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I used the 5703 crank (same ugly shape as the 6700) on the Colnago and Coppi above. The black color kind of helps it hide, but a more traditional crank with a 5-arm spider would probably look better.
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A decade ago, this thread would not have been tolerated by most members of the forum. Indexed shifting was bad enough but brifters were considered even worse and if it was Shimano's STI, it was considered the equivalent of selling your soul to the devil. It would be nice to think that the forum at large, is becoming more tolerant, if not enlightened, but it's really just the constant shift in demographics
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A decade ago, this thread would not have been tolerated by most members of the forum. Indexed shifting was bad enough but brifters were considered even worse and if it was Shimano's STI, it was considered the equivalent of selling your soul to the devil. It would be nice to think that the forum at large, is becoming more tolerant, if not enlightened, but it's really just the constant shift in demographics
Which led to me becoming a fan as well, at least for touring bikes. When I discovered 'Shimergo' as an easy and budget-friendly way in, I was on board.
First try was this 18-speed Austro-Daimler Inter 10:

Current favorite, albeit by a small margin, is this 15-speed Roy Thame:

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A decade ago, this thread would not have been tolerated by most members of the forum. Indexed shifting was bad enough but brifters were considered even worse and if it was Shimano's STI, it was considered the equivalent of selling your soul to the devil. It would be nice to think that the forum at large, is becoming more tolerant, if not enlightened, but it's really just the constant shift in demographics

of course I still have a more traditional 84 team miyata so I don't feel i am pushing the limit too far (bit of an embarrassment of riches to have two team miyata's)

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I posted these the other day, but here's my Mondonico with Ultegra / Dura-Ace 10 speed. I think it's a 1988, but I don't really know for sure. 


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OP said "Figured a new thread could start on this forum for the modernization builds where 10, 11, and 12sp drivetrains(or inevitably more cogs in the future) are paired to the C&V road frames we love." so since 10 > 9, I think we're in No Man's Land.
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If I limit this to frames built before brifters hit the market, which makes sense, I'm down to only 3 now. I guess some was the herd getting whittled down a bit, and a couple/few others got re-vintage-ized. I've had all 3 of these for at least a few years now, so they've gone through some changes over time.
I figure if I'm going modern-ish, go for the gusto, so they're all 1x, modern wheels, pinned flat pedals and interrupter levers all-around. Carbon cranks on 2/3. The oldest frame has the newest carbon crank.
The Kvale was originally silver, Chris repainted it for the original owner at some point in time.
The Columbine came with crappy rattle-can paint and non-original fork. John Murphy built me an "original" fork, and Jack/Franklin Frames did the respray.
The 'nooch has one of Brian Baylis' last paint jobs, and the frame had been modded a few times by Mark for the two previous owners. I installed the fenders for Peter Weigle's French Fender Day in 2019, but they came off pretty quickly afterwards.
'78 Chris Kvale

'82 Columbine

'83 DiNucci
I figure if I'm going modern-ish, go for the gusto, so they're all 1x, modern wheels, pinned flat pedals and interrupter levers all-around. Carbon cranks on 2/3. The oldest frame has the newest carbon crank.
The Kvale was originally silver, Chris repainted it for the original owner at some point in time.
The Columbine came with crappy rattle-can paint and non-original fork. John Murphy built me an "original" fork, and Jack/Franklin Frames did the respray.
The 'nooch has one of Brian Baylis' last paint jobs, and the frame had been modded a few times by Mark for the two previous owners. I installed the fenders for Peter Weigle's French Fender Day in 2019, but they came off pretty quickly afterwards.
'78 Chris Kvale

'82 Columbine

'83 DiNucci

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I guess I can play too.

87 Circuit rebuilt with Campagnolo Athena 11 speed.

Early 90's De Rosa with Campagnolo Chorus 11 speed.

Mid 90's Duell with Campagnolo Record/Super Record 11 speed.

Mid 80's Nova Special with Campagnolo Chorus 10 speed

87 Prologue TT with Dura Ace/Ultegra 10 speed

Mid 90's Vitus Argal with Ultegra 11 speed

Mid 90's Giordana XL Super with Campagnolo Athena 11 speed

Mid 90's Giordana XL Super with Campagnolo Record/Super Record 10 Speed

87 Circuit rebuilt with Campagnolo Athena 11 speed.

Early 90's De Rosa with Campagnolo Chorus 11 speed.

Mid 90's Duell with Campagnolo Record/Super Record 11 speed.

Mid 80's Nova Special with Campagnolo Chorus 10 speed

87 Prologue TT with Dura Ace/Ultegra 10 speed

Mid 90's Vitus Argal with Ultegra 11 speed

Mid 90's Giordana XL Super with Campagnolo Athena 11 speed

Mid 90's Giordana XL Super with Campagnolo Record/Super Record 10 Speed
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