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Old 06-27-21, 07:46 AM
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Woodrup is still making custom steel bikes, as northbend can attest to:

https://www.woodrupcycles.com/bespoke/

Of course there's Alex Singer as well:

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A friend of mine loves his Waterford and his Gunnar. Here in the Portland, OR area you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a custom frame builder.
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Originally Posted by RustyJames View Post
Here in the Portland, OR area you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a custom frame builder.
And some have fallen by the wayside sadly, such as Norther Cycles.

Jeff Lyon is still in business in southern Oregon, and a highly respected builder.
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Originally Posted by RustyJames View Post
A friend of mine loves his Waterford and his Gunnar. Here in the Portland, OR area you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a custom frame builder.
With many of the "new" steel bikes that are "modern retro" it is hard to find what tubing, ie kind of steel you are getting.
For instance, I have gone to many of the sites including Waterford and Gunnar and can not find these details.
Atleast Gunnar states "A tubeset that exploits the advances in steel technology" which I assume is one of the latest steels like Nivacrom. I always love getting a Columbus frame since use a tag that lets you know what kind of steel. Nothing wrong with SL steel but there are many improvements over the last few decades. Here is a link to detail more of what Im discussing. https://steel-vintage.com/blog/2014/...s-steel-tubes/

Im happy to see the "modern retro" bikes still produced but wish the good practice of Columbus tagging and manufacture detailing these tubing choices would still be followed.
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Originally Posted by RustyJames View Post
A friend of mine loves his Waterford and his Gunnar. Here in the Portland, OR area you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a custom frame builder.
Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
And some have fallen by the wayside sadly, such as Norther Cycles.

Jeff Lyon is still in business in southern Oregon, and a highly respected builder.
So many great PDX builders past and present, currently Dave Levy at TiCycles is my top pick, Ira Ryan, Joseph Ahearne, Tony Pereira, Chris Igleheart and Bob Kamzelski all do fantastic work, easily on par with the best anywhere.

And of course there are Sacha White and Mark DiNucci if $$$ are no object.
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I was looking around at some of the classic bike brands' current collections, and most of them offer at least one retro looking lugged steel frame. There is the Colnago Master X-Light and Arabesque, Wilier Superleggera, De Rosa Nouvo Classico, Bottecchia Leggendaria, Guerciotti Record etc etc. Do any of these stand out quality-wise or is the workmanship more or less on the same level? Doesn't have to be any of the ones mentioned, there are of course a bunch of others as well (most seem to be Italian though).
DOH!

I totally missed that the OP th0m is located in Sweden! My apologies.... Jag är ledsen

That could/would lessen his access to many of the top builders in the US. Maybe not so much in the UK.

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We sold some Crescents in the early to mid 70's. This example is worse than I remember but I bought it cheap to round out my collection.

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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
That could/would lessen his access to many of the top builders in the US. Maybe not so much in the UK.
Actually, since Brexit there shouldn't be much difference ordering from the US or UK. Taxes, import charges etc should be the same.

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Originally Posted by th0m View Post
Actually, since Brexit there shouldn't be much difference ordering from the US or UK. Taxes, import charges etc should be the same.

Skål!
There are more than a few custom steel and Ti builders here in Germany Stefano Agresti in my hood (agresti.de) and it'd probably get a bike from the EU than from the states or the UK.
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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
I totally missed that the OP th0m is located in Sweden!
That may well mean the Italian and European bikes are a dime a dozen.

The US or Australian bikes may be "Exotics".
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Old 06-28-21, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
There are more than a few custom steel and Ti builders here in Germany Stefano Agresti in my hood (agresti.de) and it'd probably get a bike from the EU than from the states or the UK.
Yes, if I were to get a custom frame from a smaller maker I would probably choose something from within the EU, for convenience sake. Have been looking at Rychtarski for example.
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I "just" ordered (a year ago) a red Colnago Master, and they claim it might be done in a few weeks.......................

Anyway, I will post the pics once it arrives.

ETA- I have a full Super Record 11spd gruppo
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Originally Posted by th0m View Post
Yes, if I were to get a custom frame from a smaller maker I would probably choose something from within the EU, for convenience sake. Have been looking at Rychtarski for example.
Im still voting for that green Faggin, the purple Battaglin or the Pelizolli!

...of course it is more fun spending someone else’s money!

The Rychtarski stuff is cool. I especially like their restorations, but their red and white original ones look pretty traditional.

The from of ST pinch bolt is sort of neat.

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As a senior on a budget, I'd never buy a new road bike when I have 4 C&V bikes that fit me like a glove. I would consider something that really wasn't available in this quality, ever.


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As a senior on a budget, I'd never buy a new road bike when I have 4 C&V bikes that fit me like a glove. I would consider something that really wasn't available in this quality, ever.


Interesting bike.

I have thought about "upgrading" a vintage Schwinn Fat Tire Cruiser which might come out with a similar look.
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Interesting bike.

I have thought about "upgrading" a vintage Schwinn Fat Tire Cruiser which might come out with a similar look.
Yeah but this thing's lean and mean.
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
I "just" ordered (a year ago) a red Colnago Master, and they claim it might be done in a few weeks.......................

Anyway, I will post the pics once it arrives.

ETA- I have a full Super Record 11spd gruppo
Do the new "modern retro" models still use Gilco Master profile, ie crimped, tubes ?
I love the ride of my classic steel master.
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Do the new "modern retro" models still use Gilco Master profile, ie crimped, tubes ?
I love the ride of my classic steel master.
The current Master use some kind of Dedacciai tubing as far as I know. Still crimped.

My Master Olympic is from the year or two in the mid 90's where they used crimped Tange "Ultimate Superlight".
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The current Master use some kind of Dedacciai tubing as far as I know. Still crimped.

My Master Olympic is from the year or two in the mid 90's where they used crimped Tange "Ultimate Superlight".
Dedacciai can be used with steel, AL, & Ti tubing and uses niobium Nb which functions as a microalloying addition.

Just visited the Colnago website and it states for the Master:

A timeless jewel of timeless style, with its stellar steel tubes, chrome lugs and the P
The only steel frame with tubes with a star section.A timeless jewel of timeless style, with its stellar steel tubes, chrome lugs and the Precisa fork.

The Arabesque does not even address the steel, probably the same as Master. Both are beautiful modern retro's.

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I’m probably the member you’re thinking of with the Pelizzoli. Finish work is incredible, but communication with them is very, very difficult. I visited the shop in Bergamo in person to get fitted, had a lovely afternoon with Sr. Pelizzoli, who was 86 at the time…he’d be 91 now, and a cancer survisor at that. He was the only one in the shop doing lugged steel at the time, everyone else was involved in resprays and carbon frames. So not sure who, exactly, would build you a steel frame there or how long it would take (mine was just under a year). But they will work with you on design; mine will take up to 32’s in 700c, and up to 38’s as a 650b.

Would definitely look at Faggin (they were highly recommended by an Italian contact when I ordered the Pel) as well as Somec. Have seen the recent Somec work and it is stunning. Battaglin also looks like they do top level finish work.
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Originally Posted by joesch View Post
Do the new "modern retro" models still use Gilco Master profile, ie crimped, tubes ?
I love the ride of my classic steel master.
That was the selling point for me. I just had to have an Italian frameset with the crimped tubes!
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Dedacciai can be used with steel, AL, & Ti tubing and uses niobium Nb which functions as a microalloying addition.

Just visited the Colnago website and it states for the Master:

A timeless jewel of timeless style, with its stellar steel tubes, chrome lugs and the P
The only steel frame with tubes with a star section.A timeless jewel of timeless style, with its stellar steel tubes, chrome lugs and the Precisa fork.

The Arabesque does not even address the steel, probably the same as Master. Both are beautiful modern retro's.
My Arabesque is crimped. I attempted a bit research on this before buying and nobody would give a hard answer. My vague interpretation is that the Master and Arabesque use the same tubes, made by Deda to the same or close to the same specs as Gilco.
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This is 2 years old and I don't have the patience to go through them all, but maybe you'll find other makes here:

https://cycling-passion.com/boutique...manufacturers/
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Wow, these are some nice bikes.
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I get compliments on my Jeff Lyon quite often. To most it looks like a 50 year old bicycle. His frame prices are pretty fair. I believe Jan Heine used a couple of his frames to do tubing/planing comparisons in BQ.
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Just noticed nobody mentioned Ciocc:

https://www.ciocc.it/en/product-category/vintage-en/

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