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Old 08-12-21, 08:19 PM
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Rene Herse offering 8 80th anniversary bicycles

Story here and in the newest Bicycle Quarterly. I’ve got the issue but haven’t had a chance to fully read through yet.

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$13,900, yeah, why not.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
$13,900, yeah, why not.
Yeah, I briefly read the basics and it seems insane but hey. Personally, I’m not sure why you’d pay so much for something that is branded as the real deal but isn’t (I know they’re not trying to pass it off as such a thing, but still), especially with such a historically significant name. That being said, seems like they’ll be wonderful bikes for someone with tons of love going into them. I suppose it’s worth something that they mention that even at that price they won’t be making any money on them.

but…yeah. I’m hoping the rest of the article is a nice read at least.

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There’ll be a choice of drivetrains, either 12-speed SRAM eTap electronic shifting or a Nivex rear and Rene Herse lever-operated front derailleur”



Some of this article reads like a bad April 1st joke in the middle of August.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
$13,900, yeah, why not.
And only if they decide you rate one. Sheesh

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What are people paying for the all the best options Weigles, Chapmans, etc?
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And only if they decide you rate one. Sheesh

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There’ll be a choice of drivetrains, either 12-speed SRAM eTap electronic shifting or a Nivex rear and Rene Herse lever-operated front derailleur”



Some of this article reads like a bad April 1st joke in the middle of August.
How do you have SRAM on a Renee Herse?
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Especially the current generation of SRAM. I mean, I've put plenty of modern components (brifters and electronic shifting) on vintage bikes, but the overall aesthetic composition of an eTap-equipped RH had better be extremely carefully selected. That will be a challenge. I also hope the headset/steerer/stem integration will be a lot better than the dark blue RH pictured (Jan's ride). Like, dear Lord, just put a freaking Nitto Pearl or something on it and have it look a billion times better/cleaner. Or get an Innicycle headset (which I am running on my Trek 620), which is superb.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
I also hope the headset/steerer/stem integration will be a lot better than the dark blue RH pictured (Jan's ride). Like, dear Lord, just put a freaking Nitto Pearl or something on it and have it look a billion times better/cleaner. Or get an Innicycle headset (which I am running on my Trek 620), which is superb.
I dunno, that's how my real René Herse is. I guess it looks janky but it is lighter weight than a Pearl, because there's no quill/bolt/expander. An old Cinelli with the aluminum expander bolt from OMAS comes close, but I'm pretty sure the Herse setup is still lighter. Downside is the stem is mandatory slammed, but Jan sorta waves his hands and excuses himself of that in the blog post.

As for the bikes not being real Herses - I agree. He's got the name trademark from the late Lyli, so legally yes Jan can build a bike and call it a Herse, but I agree it'll never be a real one because the tradition's broken. I do wonder what the old French guys think. Like no doubt a Singer is still a Singer, but their shop never closed, and the tradition has been handed down directly from builder to builder, so maybe that's the difference? Or is the difference the incessant self-promotion and self-righteousness, and a certain type of fans and followers, while the real Herse was perhaps more humble, copied good ideas from others, and let his work speak for itself? I want to get to Levallois again and talk with Olivier, Thomas, and the rest of the Singer gang about it. They will have a nice long perspective, and we all need that.

Finally, I think you can buy a Singer for cheaper, and they'll build one for whoever pays!! But if I didn't have designs to roll my own, my choice would be a L'avecaise for what it's worth.
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I dunno, that's how my real René Herse is. I guess it looks janky but it is lighter weight than a Pearl, because there's no quill/bolt/expander. An old Cinelli with the aluminum expander bolt from OMAS comes close, but I'm pretty sure the Herse setup is still lighter. Downside is the stem is mandatory slammed, but Jan sorta waves his hands and excuses himself of that in the blog post.

Finally, I think you can buy a Singer for cheaper, and they'll build one for whoever pays!! But if I didn't have designs to roll my own, my choice would be a L'avecaise for what it's worth.
Jan's bike has a new/modern headset with the RH stem (essentially a quill conversion with a 'threadless' stem if reference images are anything to go by--done many a conversion). Its gesture is janky and its angle and aesthetic relative to the rest of the bike is incongruous to the rest of the bike. At any rate, it doesn't matter, ultimately, to non-owners of RH's.

A custom Lyon would be really cool to have built--either level of his offerings.
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Like I said over at the paceline

If I was going to spent this much money on a bike this would bet near the top if not the top of my list
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What are people paying for the all the best options Weigles, Chapmans, etc?
My Chapman was less than half of that. I was 3rd owner of my Weigle, but less than half of that. I’ll pass.
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Like I said over at the paceline

If I was going to spent this much money on a bike this would bet near the top if not the top of my list
I enjoy road riding, and gravel, and mountain biking, and $12k can get me a nice bike in each of those domains

But one of those René herse bikes would be a randonneur for life ❤️😍
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I don't think I will buy one. I have too many bikes that i like already, and the cost is an order of magnitude higher than I've ever paid for a bike.

But I'd love to rent one for a season.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Jan's bike has a new/modern headset with the RH stem (essentially a quill conversion with a 'threadless' stem if reference images are anything to go by--done many a conversion). Its gesture is janky and its angle and aesthetic relative to the rest of the bike is incongruous to the rest of the bike. At any rate, it doesn't matter, ultimately, to non-owners of RH's.
It's a threaded headset, but the steerer has a smaller-diameter, non-threaded 7/8" extension going up above. This is usually a short piece of steel tube, brazed in. The machined aluminum stem clamps to this. That's the way it is on my old tandem, and probably the way it works here, judging by the photos. It really looks like it's done the same way as the original. I don't want you to think I'm defending the concept, but the stem setup is pretty true to the original. Only difference is, originals had one bolt clamping the stem on the steerer, whereas his has two. But the originals sometimes broke at that bolt (a scary failure to have). I agree it's a little janky, but again it's pretty lightweight simply because it ditches a lot of parts. Jan probably also did it to incorporate his headlight switch. Which southpawboston tells me is also pretty janky, and not waterproof!
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It's a threaded headset, but the steerer has a smaller-diameter, non-threaded 7/8" extension going up above. This is usually a short piece of steel tube, brazed in. The machined aluminum stem clamps to this. That's the way it is on my old tandem, and probably the way it works here, judging by the photos. It really looks like it's done the same way as the original. I don't want you to think I'm defending the concept, but the stem setup is pretty true to the original. Only difference is, originals had one bolt clamping the stem on the steerer, whereas his has two. But the originals sometimes broke at that bolt (a scary failure to have). I agree it's a little janky, but again it's pretty lightweight simply because it ditches a lot of parts. Jan probably also did it to incorporate his headlight switch. Which southpawboston tells me is also pretty janky, and not waterproof!

I've been looking for a bicycle headlight switch more quite a fee months. Do yo have a picture of it?
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I think they're pretty cool bikes. Wouldn't buy one because I already have a pair of rides that serve the same purpose.
Will be interesting to see who the target market turns out to be, assuming that diehard rando/brevet types who would use a tool like this to maximum advantage already have at least one bike set up to their liking.
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I've been looking for a bicycle headlight switch more quite a fee months. Do yo have a picture of it?
Paging @southpawboston will be here to help you shortly!!
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Look at all the fast randonneurs riding fat tires and steel.

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I dunno, that's how my real René Herse is. I guess it looks janky but it is lighter weight than a Pearl, because there's no quill/bolt/expander. An old Cinelli with the aluminum expander bolt from OMAS comes close, but I'm pretty sure the Herse setup is still lighter. Downside is the stem is mandatory slammed, but Jan sorta waves his hands and excuses himself of that in the blog post.

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Finally, I think you can buy a Singer for cheaper, and they'll build one for whoever pays!! But if I didn't have designs to roll my own, my choice would be a L'avecaise for what it's worth.
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Oh yea, for sure. Jan and BQ and Herse resurrections are a net positive to the cycling community, in spite of all the pomp and prideful manner. Alls I'm sayin is, it coulda been done more subtly.

I do wonder what Jan means when he says "we ask riders what they plan to do with the bikes and why they want one, and allocate the bikes based on that". How serious is this? Is this going to be a college admissions essay type thing? As an academic, I am intrigued.

And for what it is, he's right, the price is a steal.
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Wow, Mr. Heine claps back in sentence #2 of his blog post: "Apart from the inevitable 'I didn’t know top-of-the-line bikes cost THAT much!' from retrogrouches who still remember the days when the dollar was strong and imported bikes were available for peanuts, there’s a lot of excitement."

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