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Old 08-18-21, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
(...) The bike I originally posted about is a Cinelli SC that I'm building up from the frame. Most of it is Campy NR but I'm straying from the narrow freewheel.
In that case you have no choice. Campagnolo. In whatever shape or form.

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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Wow, that could have "sucked" way more on the Hetchins, glad it didn't take out a chainstay.
I was worried more about the paint than the steel, but there certainly were a lot of ways that the incident could have been worse.

A pleasant surprise is that the electrical tape under the front derailleur clamp served as a layer that allowed the derailleur to rotate without tearing up paint! The derailleur was able to be bent back into shape with great care, and is in use today.

The outboard spokes on the right flange of the rear hub had to be replaced, though. The chain was jammed in so tight that the spokes were badly damaged, and even the hub flange was scratched up. I had to remove the freewheel to get the chain released!

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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
I was worried more about the paint than the steel, but there certainly were a lot of ways that the incident could have been worse.

A pleasant surprise is that the electrical tape under the front derailleur clamp served as a layer that allowed the derailleur to rotate without tearing up paint! The derailleur was able to be bent back into shape with great care, and is in use today.

The outboard spokes on the right flange of the rear hub had to be replaced, though. The chain was jammed in so tight that the spokes were badly damaged, and even the hub flange was scratched up. I had to remove the freewheel to get the chain released!

Steve in Peoria
Again, WOW, glad it was no more catastrophic than it was.
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Old 08-18-21, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
It's funny that you ask....this discussion got me thinking about another bike that has a non-period rear derailleur - my late 70s / early 80s Ritchey road. All Campagnolo except the rear derailleur is a Deore XT. Shifts great but I'm thinking I may try something different on there.

The bike I originally posted about is a Cinelli SC that I'm building up from the frame. Most of it is Campy NR but I'm straying from the narrow freewheel.
Campy NR with long cages would make Spence Wolf proud as he made his own cages for his alpine gearing SC's, any chance yours came from him originally?
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Campy NR with long cages would make Spence Wolf proud as he made his own cages for his alpine gearing SC's, any chance yours came from him originally?
I donít think so. The original owner lived here in the southwest.

Iíd love to have one of those cages.
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
It's funny that you ask....this discussion got me thinking about another bike that has a non-period rear derailleur - my late 70s / early 80s Ritchey road. All Campagnolo except the rear derailleur is a Deore XT. Shifts great but I'm thinking I may try something different on there.

The bike I originally posted about is a Cinelli SC that I'm building up from the frame. Most of it is Campy NR but I'm straying from the narrow freewheel.
I'm thinking in needs to be Campy on a Cinelli. Period correct would be the Rally or a NR/SR with a long cage (based on the modifications by Spence Wolf at Cupertino Bike Shop). I started off with a SOMA long cage adapter on a NR. It worked OK. Then I acquired a Rally. I like it a lot better, it may be my set-up but I find it tracks closer to rear cogs and shifts better that the NR with a long cage.
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...The bike I originally posted about is a Cinelli SC that I'm building up from the frame...
Pics or it ain't happening, Pal.
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Old 08-18-21, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
I donít think so. The original owner lived here in the southwest.

Iíd love to have one of those cages.
Boulder bicycles and Soma have them, not cheap but still worth it, maybe.

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/pro...0?category=961

Polished Soma Rally type Cage plates for Nuovo Record type derailleur

Spence's were a bit crude to be sure but must have worked well as he sold plenty of them I think.

Another Merz segway as he built several bikes for Spence as the touring thing ramped up with few serious options at the time.
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
I donít think so. The original owner lived here in the southwest.

Iíd love to have one of those cages.
If it's old enough, its possible, Spence's reach was far and wide, as was Jim's.
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I'd go with the Cyclone GT, for sure, and I even had the same spring failure documented above. Technologically advanced, light, elegant, beautiful.

I managed to bend a new tab on my spring to make it functional enough and eventually found in my toolbox the remains of another lower-end GT derailleur from Suntour that I bought for parts. Sure enough, it fit and worked great. As I recall, I bought it for a few dollars at a shop in Nob Hill in ABQ that moved or closed not long after!
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Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
As I recall, I bought it for a few dollars at a shop in Nob Hill in ABQ that moved or closed not long after!
HA! There are no old parts left in Albuquerque shops. They've all been hidden aware in the barrows of ancient collectors in the foothills. I have to wait until they die and their children liquidate.
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Originally Posted by machinist42 View Post
Pics or it ain't happening, Pal.
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Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs View Post
I'd go with the Cyclone GT, for sure, and I even had the same spring failure documented above. Technologically advanced, light, elegant, beautiful.

I managed to bend a new tab on my spring to make it functional enough and eventually found in my toolbox the remains of another lower-end GT derailleur from Suntour that I bought for parts. Sure enough, it fit and worked great. As I recall, I bought it for a few dollars at a shop in Nob Hill in ABQ that moved or closed not long after!
after the spring failure, I did start a search on that e-bay auction thing. Managed to find an ugly old Cyclone with a good spring, but also found one or two Cyclones that managed to escape everyone else's attention. Doesn't hurt to look for the short cage version, since you can always transfer the long pulley cage over to it, and people don't seem to be interested in the short cage versions as much.

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HA! There are no old parts left in Albuquerque shops. They've all been hidden aware in the barrows of ancient collectors in the foothills. I have to wait until they die and their children liquidate.
I moved away in 2012 after a couple years as an apartment dweller in the foothills. It didn't seem like there was much of a vintage cycling vibe in the area.

I did buy, at the same shop, Campy sidepull brakes, a Campy headset and a 27.2 mm Campy fluted single-bolt seatpost. Also picked up my Carlton frame and fork at a bikeswap there, and some other components at an additional bikeswap a short time later.

I enjoyed it there, but never had so many flats in my life... Goatheads!
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Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
Whoomp, they it is.

If you call Cupertino, Greg may be able to tell you if it was sold new from there. He has Spence's ledger.

Most, many in this part of the country, West coast, West of the Rockies came from Cupertino.
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well heck, for a slightly dog-eared Cinelli SC like this stunner I reckon you should just slap one of those generic transformer-alien style Shimano Alivio units on it and go for maximum cognitive dissonance.

Also, likely that it will shift as well as any of the Deores.

Kidding aside, I vote for the Cyclone on this beastie, since it would have been a logical upgrade at some point in its life.




Originally Posted by gravelinmygears View Post
It's funny that you ask....this discussion got me thinking about another bike that has a non-period rear derailleur - my late 70s / early 80s Ritchey road. All Campagnolo except the rear derailleur is a Deore XT. Shifts great but I'm thinking I may try something different on there.

The bike I originally posted about is a Cinelli SC that I'm building up from the frame. Most of it is Campy NR but I'm straying from the narrow freewheel.
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I say build it like Cino would have and push it up the steep stuff. Putting asian or even french parts on a Cinelli strikes me as being just plain wrong.
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
I'm a big fan of the Cyclone GT, but I'm just running a 13-30 cassette..



The SunTour VGT is going to shift just as well, weigh a bit more, and be more robust.

The Shimano Crane is pretty sexy too, and likely works great.

The Huret Duopar has French charm, but a weird way to attach to the dropout and a potentially fragile 2nd parallelogram. Might be the derailleur for you if you like living dangerously!

The Campagnolo Rally might be fine, but when you think touring, you don't think "Campagnolo". Never made any sense to me.

Steve in Peoria, with a distinct Japanese bias when it comes to touring gear.
I would go for the Duopar. Iíve had a few of them, with no breakages. One still in service!
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Whoomp, they it is.

If you call Cupertino, Greg may be able to tell you if it was sold new from there. He has Spence's ledger.

Most, many in this part of the country, West coast, West of the Rockies came from Cupertino.

As an FYI, Greg works W-Fr afternoons, so that would be when you could catch him.
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I'd go with the Cyclone GT, for sure, and I even had the same spring failure documented above. Technologically advanced, light, elegant, beautiful.

I managed to bend a new tab on my spring to make it functional enough and eventually found in my toolbox the remains of another lower-end GT derailleur from Suntour that I bought for parts. Sure enough, it fit and worked great. As I recall, I bought it for a few dollars at a shop in Nob Hill in ABQ that moved or closed not long after!
I think you might be thinking of the Bike Coop,which used to be in Nob Hill on Central Ave. They were still in business as of 2020, but have moved to Silver Ave. by the campus.
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I have had the Deore XT, Duopar, and Cyclone GT on an old touring bike at one time or another. The Cyclone GT broke on a tour in France and of course, a Huret went on. Then, after many miles I upgraded to the XT in the mid or late 80's. The Huret was a good derailleur and the second best shifter after the Deore. I'd get the Huret.
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
well, I'm a fan of the Cyclone GT and have used them since they were new. Still, I feel compelled to mention that I've had two where the lower pivot spring has broken.


I created a thread about this on the I-Bob group, and was surprised at how many folks have suffered various types of failures.

Steve in Peoria
Same experience. I broke one of those springs last year, but was able to carefully ride home about 10 miles after getting the chain in the big plate to take up as much slack as possible. @Andy_K had the same thing happen to one of those 3 pulley LePrees, which uses the same design I believe.
Based on my rememberance, I think the lifetime of the original Cyclone derailleurs is adequate, however unless you know it's got low mileage on one, I'd consider that there is some risk of this happening to you.
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Originally Posted by mtbikerjohn View Post
I think you might be thinking of the Bike Coop,which used to be in Nob Hill on Central Ave. They were still in business as of 2020, but have moved to Silver Ave. by the campus.
That's what I was thinking - the Coop. Unfortunately they no longer deal in old parts. The new owners seem to be focusing on custom builds with modern parts for the college crowd. I miss talking to Greg and the other guys there about racing in the 70s/80s and searching for pulley wheels in the boneyard. Those days are gone.
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