Early Specialized Road Frame Info
08-23-21, 03:27 PM
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Early Specialized Road Frame Info
Found a nice Specialized Allez 2X7 road bike for a cousin. In order to buy it I had to accept a 2 bike package with an apparently older red Specialized road bike. My question is about the older bicycle specs. This bike came as a 2X6 geared drivetrain. The 6 Spd rear wheel with a freewheel. DT 105 shifters, Mostly 105 components. Frame description:about a 59cm, 39" wheelbase, typical Allez red frame. Decals gone except the 'S' on the head tube and a 'Taiwan' low on the seat tube. the top of the seat stays have the 'S' engraved. Dropouts don't have visible manufactures name engraved on them-forward facing slots on the rear with adjusters . No lawyer lips on the fork dropouts-if they were there but filed off they did a very good job.The chain stay brace has a bit of a wasp waist. seat post bolt is a Sugino Allen head -the seat lug ears are filled in solid. Post diameter is 27.0. Serial number: GE713020. Any thots on the frame would be appreciated.
08-23-21, 03:57 PM
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Found a nice Specialized Allez 2X7 road bike for a cousin. In order to buy it I had to accept a 2 bike package with an apparently older red Specialized road bike. My question is about the older bicycle specs. This bike came as a 2X6 geared drivetrain. The 6 Spd rear wheel with a freewheel. DT 105 shifters, Mostly 105 components. Frame description:about a 59cm, 39" wheelbase, typical Allez red frame. Decals gone except the 'S' on the head tube and a 'Taiwan' low on the seat tube. the top of the seat stays have the 'S' engraved. Dropouts don't have visible manufactures name engraved on them-forward facing slots on the rear with adjusters . No lawyer lips on the fork dropouts-if they were there but filed off they did a very good job.The chain stay brace has a bit of a wasp waist. seat post bolt is a Sugino Allen head -the seat lug ears are filled in solid. Post diameter is 27.0. Serial number: GE713020. Any thots on the frame would be appreciated.
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Maybe a Specialized Sirrus?
My 1988 has stock 6-speed Uniglide rear with 105 components. It was Specialized’s least expensive road bike that year.
I’ve owned much costlier bikes with fancier pedigrees and chi-chi-er parts. This made-in-Taiwan bike equals or beats them all. I was not expecting that.
My 1988 has stock 6-speed Uniglide rear with 105 components. It was Specialized’s least expensive road bike that year.
I’ve owned much costlier bikes with fancier pedigrees and chi-chi-er parts. This made-in-Taiwan bike equals or beats them all. I was not expecting that.
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08-23-21, 05:32 PM
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08-23-21, 05:39 PM
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Is that a Sirrus ? I thot the 27.0 seat post might be a clue as to the tubing maker and or the model. I would have thot those decent road frames were all 27.2. Was your Uniglide a spin on or cassette? And yes it does ride very well. Light on the bumps. Short wheelbase. I believe it has pedal/wheel interference.
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Is that a Sirrus ? I thot the 27.0 seat post might be a clue as to the tubing maker and or the model. I would have thot those decent road frames were all 27.2. Was your Uniglide a spin on or cassette? And yes it does ride very well. Light on the bumps. Short wheelbase. I believe it has pedal/wheel interference.
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Is that a Sirrus ? I thot the 27.0 seat post might be a clue as to the tubing maker and or the model. I would have thot those decent road frames were all 27.2. Was your Uniglide a spin on or cassette? And yes it does ride very well. Light on the bumps. Short wheelbase. I believe it has pedal/wheel interference.
What I have read is that the 1987-89 Sirrus is the same frameset as the Allez from those years; the Allez got more durable paint and Shimano 600 parts vs. the 105 of the Sirrus. Both are based on Tim Neenan's original design for the Allez as I understand it. The 27.0 seat post size would be comparable to a lot of Italian race bikes with stiffer tubing. There is no brand listed but odds are it's some sort of blend of Tange chrome-moly. I read somewhere that the design called for a stout downtube paired with lighter seat and top tubes, and I can see that. It feels springy and lively but neither noodly nor unyielding. It's a Goldilocks bike.
A quick look at the rear hub will show whether there is a wider section of the barrel on the right to accommodate a freehub, like this one -
Very dirty "before" picture - and I have so far been too lazy to remove the plastic dork disc. Deduct the necessary style points if you must.
Mine is indeed a freehub, with the original Ultraglide fitting for the twist-tooth Ultraglide cassette - which is long obsolete and apparently kinda pricey. Worth looking to see if yours has a transitional unit with the threads on both the outside of the freehub body as well as inner ones for a locking. In my case, I have an early transitional body like that in reserve, but for now I'm running the original 6-speed setup because I'm learning not to fix what ain't broken. Besides, after riding predominantly on fixed-gears for more than a decade, I'm not gonna fuss too much about a 39x23 low gear. Someday when parts wear out I'll YouTube the procedure for swapping out the bodies - unless I just keep using the 6-speed spacers and Dremel down the wide tabs on a Hyperglide cassette and use those cogs and call it a day. Depends on how lazy I feel.
A previous owner did me a favor and replaced the Biopace 42/52 with round 39/52 rings, which work nicely for what the real estate types are calling Lakelands South Carolina.
Yours sounds like it is my size. I cannot stress this enough - I have been smitten by this bike, absolutely smitten. Its handling and control are impeccable, it rides beautifully no hands, it feels responsive and zippy - and somehow, even though it's on 23 mm tires (good luck getting anything bigger than a 622x25 on it!) and has upright angles, somehow it is my most comfortable bike to actually ride.
08-24-21, 12:12 AM
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Thanks for such a detailed write up. It sounds exactly like what I have. Down to the white brake hoods.
08-24-21, 12:15 AM
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Yes, mine is a1988 Sirrus, which I purchased July 19 for $50 for my THIRD entry in this year's Clunker Challenge. I was lucky - this one spent 22 years hanging in a climate-controlled store room. As I cleaned and touched it up and repacked all the bearings and made it whole again I was struck by how nicely it was made, in a very neat and clean and non-fussy way.
What I have read is that the 1987-89 Sirrus is the same frameset as the Allez from those years; the Allez got more durable paint and Shimano 600 parts vs. the 105 of the Sirrus. Both are based on Tim Neenan's original design for the Allez as I understand it. The 27.0 seat post size would be comparable to a lot of Italian race bikes with stiffer tubing. There is no brand listed but odds are it's some sort of blend of Tange chrome-moly. I read somewhere that the design called for a stout downtube paired with lighter seat and top tubes, and I can see that. It feels springy and lively but neither noodly nor unyielding. It's a Goldilocks bike.
A quick look at the rear hub will show whether there is a wider section of the barrel on the right to accommodate a freehub, like this one -
Very dirty "before" picture - and I have so far been too lazy to remove the plastic dork disc. Deduct the necessary style points if you must.
Mine is indeed a freehub, with the original Ultraglide fitting for the twist-tooth Ultraglide cassette - which is long obsolete and apparently kinda pricey. Worth looking to see if yours has a transitional unit with the threads on both the outside of the freehub body as well as inner ones for a locking. In my case, I have an early transitional body like that in reserve, but for now I'm running the original 6-speed setup because I'm learning not to fix what ain't broken. Besides, after riding predominantly on fixed-gears for more than a decade, I'm not gonna fuss too much about a 39x23 low gear. Someday when parts wear out I'll YouTube the procedure for swapping out the bodies - unless I just keep using the 6-speed spacers and Dremel down the wide tabs on a Hyperglide cassette and use those cogs and call it a day. Depends on how lazy I feel.
A previous owner did me a favor and replaced the Biopace 42/52 with round 39/52 rings, which work nicely for what the real estate types are calling Lakelands South Carolina.
Yours sounds like it is my size. I cannot stress this enough - I have been smitten by this bike, absolutely smitten. Its handling and control are impeccable, it rides beautifully no hands, it feels responsive and zippy - and somehow, even though it's on 23 mm tires (good luck getting anything bigger than a 622x25 on it!) and has upright angles, somehow it is my most comfortable bike to actually ride.
What I have read is that the 1987-89 Sirrus is the same frameset as the Allez from those years; the Allez got more durable paint and Shimano 600 parts vs. the 105 of the Sirrus. Both are based on Tim Neenan's original design for the Allez as I understand it. The 27.0 seat post size would be comparable to a lot of Italian race bikes with stiffer tubing. There is no brand listed but odds are it's some sort of blend of Tange chrome-moly. I read somewhere that the design called for a stout downtube paired with lighter seat and top tubes, and I can see that. It feels springy and lively but neither noodly nor unyielding. It's a Goldilocks bike.
A quick look at the rear hub will show whether there is a wider section of the barrel on the right to accommodate a freehub, like this one -
Very dirty "before" picture - and I have so far been too lazy to remove the plastic dork disc. Deduct the necessary style points if you must.
Mine is indeed a freehub, with the original Ultraglide fitting for the twist-tooth Ultraglide cassette - which is long obsolete and apparently kinda pricey. Worth looking to see if yours has a transitional unit with the threads on both the outside of the freehub body as well as inner ones for a locking. In my case, I have an early transitional body like that in reserve, but for now I'm running the original 6-speed setup because I'm learning not to fix what ain't broken. Besides, after riding predominantly on fixed-gears for more than a decade, I'm not gonna fuss too much about a 39x23 low gear. Someday when parts wear out I'll YouTube the procedure for swapping out the bodies - unless I just keep using the 6-speed spacers and Dremel down the wide tabs on a Hyperglide cassette and use those cogs and call it a day. Depends on how lazy I feel.
A previous owner did me a favor and replaced the Biopace 42/52 with round 39/52 rings, which work nicely for what the real estate types are calling Lakelands South Carolina.
Yours sounds like it is my size. I cannot stress this enough - I have been smitten by this bike, absolutely smitten. Its handling and control are impeccable, it rides beautifully no hands, it feels responsive and zippy - and somehow, even though it's on 23 mm tires (good luck getting anything bigger than a 622x25 on it!) and has upright angles, somehow it is my most comfortable bike to actually ride.
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There is no doubt their lugged steel bikes are eye-opening. After decades of being a Reynolds 531 snob, I have started keeping an eye open for a 58 cm Sequoia from the '80s at a price I can manage.
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Based on the serial number, in conjunction with the Shimano 105 components, it should be a 1987 Specialized Sirrus, as the frame was manufactured during weeks 9-10 of 1987 by Giant of Taiwan, The components should be 2nd generation Shimano New 105. The tubeset is a customized set from Tange. The orignal MSRP in 1987 was $449 US.
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Wow ! I feel like I now know everything about my bike. You guys rock !!
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Their contribution to high quality production frame building cannot be overstated IMO and was so big that most if not all other companies also benefited greatly as well.
We will have 10's of 1000's of these high quality frames for a long, long time to come.
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Here's a gallery of pix of my '88 Sirrus if that makes you feel better!
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Here's a gallery of pix of my '88 Sirrus if that makes you feel better!
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