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Old 08-26-21, 07:44 PM
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Meanwhile Eroica Britannia and Goodwood Racing Estate get together for their future

Hello all, while we wait for definitive word on Eroica California, I came across these articles and announcements regarding Eroica Britannia and The Goodwood Estate, home of horse racing and Motorsports, especially vintage motorsports. Seems to me a natural fit together and overlap of interests for many of us. Of course, Goodwood has its own endowment, resources, and a hugely successful motorsports history, track and facilities, and the goodwill of the region. Eroica Britannia discussed their difficulties in securing routes and support in Derbyshire after the 2018 event. Even though both Eroica California and Eroica Britannia were established nearly the same time in 2015 or so, Britain’s long history of bike culture and enthusiasm helped them grow to 5,000 cyclists (5x what Eroica California had in 2019) and 25,000 festival goers over their three day festival and multi-town participation, plus encouraging all sorts of racing, work, fun bikes to appear and riders to play dress up and party. Of course, food, alcohol, and just plain whimsy didn’t hurt either.

Whether this could be a future model for Eroica California is unclear, since it requires wealthy benefactor(s), support from local or regional interests, and of course driving forces in people and resources to make it work. I personally still love the small town feel of Cambria, Paso Robles, wineries, and country roads. The lack of competing road traffic, tourists, etc. and a relatively bike friendly atmosphere is a big plus.

I’ve heard Eroica was at first interested in the Napa-Sonoma valley and with good reason, similar countryside to Eroica Gaiole. A tie-in with Sonoma Raceway could be interesting as well as provide huge grounds to work with. The same could be said for the Laguna Seca Raceway in Monterey and it’s surrounding environs by the sea and inland. Just thinking about doing laps on either course on a bike (particularly the Corkscrew after climbing the backside hill) would be breathtaking as well as riding in the surrounding hills. Getting to take laps in a vintage sports car would be a huge draw too for some of us.

I know these are unlikely scenarios and I certainly would want the Cambria location of Eroica California (and any possible Midwest or East Coast version) to eventually survive, grow and flourish. Somehow the vintage and modern bike community has got to figure a way to get this event (pandemic notwithstanding) to re-establish itself, build a solid team on the ground here, and get it going again when safe to do so. I know cycling events in the US have had a hard time over the last 20 years staying afloat even in the best of times and of course, we aren’t getting any younger. Food for thought, and someone has to think big and build a great team for this to happen.

https://www.goodwood.com/media-centr...tage-festival/

https://eroicabritannia.co.uk/


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Hello all, while we wait for definitive word on Eroica California, I came across these articles and announcements regarding Eroica Britannia....
I rode Eroica Britannia in it's first year and it was perhaps my favorite venue for an Eroica event! That first year I believe that it was only 1900 riders and after that the numbers got much larger. which is where the trouble begins. When an event gets too big it really starts to lose some of it's appeal, as did Eroica Gaiole for me in 2012. 7500+ riders is cool in a way but when you get to a food stop or get your book stamped and each one takes half an hour then that definitely detracts from the experience.

I've done a LOT of cycling events in California over the past 36 years and I have seen the state go from a nice place to hold a cycling event to being downright unfriendly to large cycling events. Traffic, local regulation, insurance and difficult logistics all work against a producing a successful event in the state. I do not think that Eroica California can be viable for much more than 500 riders, and if limited to that number it likely could not be financially practical.

Oregon might be a viable alternate option for an Eroica event. It has great cycling routes, a vibrant wine region and is currently much more cycling friendly than California. Perhaps there are other regions that would work as well, but I believe that in a few years Eroica California will be a thing of the past.

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From what I've seen of Eroica Britannia, it looks like more of a celebration of vintage England, which winds up being more inclusive and attracting folks that may not even be interested in vintage bikes. I have no idea how you'd achieve this kind of thing in the U.S..
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Bombing down the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca on a fine vintage bicycle would be simultaneously life-affirming and worthy of inclusion in one's obituary.

Especially because I'll never get to do it in a McLaren F1...


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My wife and I have been to the Goodwood Revival three times. Amazing time. I would love to see something like that, a celebration of Vintage Bikes... Everyone wears appropriate period clothing... Massive vendor area, displays. maybe many ride options, invite races... Awesome...
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Originally Posted by ShannonM View Post
Bombing down the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca on a fine vintage bicycle would be simultaneously life-affirming and worthy of inclusion in one's obituary.

Especially because I'll never get to do it in a McLaren F1...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVQfrstsA8

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love it. In keeping with the vintage theme, a 1970 Porsche 908/3 “Flounder” with veteran race driver Brian Redman at the wheel against a couple of Porsche 917K’s and 906’s. First camera angle just in front of the cockpit


And from the cockpit. No ground effects, no massive wings, just great mechanical grip, 1200 pounds curb weight, 300+ HP from a 3 liter flat 8 Porsche engine.

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Sounds like a perfect match for the Finger Lakes Region of New York and a Watkins Glen raceway event. Beautiful terrain, ton of wineries, fair amount of breweries and my fave distillery. Also lots of available lake front home rentals.

If a ride across Iowa can survive all these years, this should be possible. All it needs is vision, determination and action. The latter can be hard to come by in these online brainstorms. Of course I’m a guilty party.
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There will be a vintage bike event in 2022 at the Auburn museum - Classic Bicycles Auburn
Now, people actually have to attend to make it a success. Calling it a cool idea on the internet or making an excuse not to attend will not make it a success. Wringing your hands over the details of the event will also not make it a success.

Also, my old job required my attendance at the vintage car race at Road America for many years. Now, that was a while ago, but I do not recall anyone in vintage costume. Other than the Ferrari owners wearing gold chains, but that is timeless. Do they do that now in the US or is that a British thing?
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There will be a vintage bike event in 2022 at the Auburn museum - Classic Bicycles Auburn
Now, people actually have to attend to make it a success. Calling it a cool idea on the internet or making an excuse not to attend will not make it a success. Wringing your hands over the details of the event will also not make it a success.

Also, my old job required my attendance at the vintage car race at Road America for many years. Now, that was a while ago, but I do not recall anyone in vintage costume. Other than the Ferrari owners wearing gold chains, but that is timeless. Do they do that now in the US or is that a British thing?
Thanks for the link. Added to my travel plans for next year.
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Bombing down the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca on a fine vintage bicycle would be simultaneously life-affirming and worthy of inclusion in one's obituary.

Especially because I'll never get to do it in a McLaren F1...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVQfrstsA8

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I got to do it as a passenger in a Ferrari. The driver was well trained, but scared the bejesus out of me. I'll stick to bikes.
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Things are different out here in California.
Chuck Schmidt tossed in the towel before his 2008 event.
He made mention that there were zero prepaid registrations.

There are lots of prior issues that Eroica California has had to endure and will have to overcome.
Separate is the pandemic situation. I think decent chance the official plug will be pulled by Tuesday 8/31
My guess is many will still venture to the area and do an unofficial and unsupported ride.
Lodging has been secured, possible paid for. Free time off allocated.
The scale will be small and manageable.
there are expected announcements from the organizers that in normal times would be made public by now, Swap details, the "dinner" details, Concours show?
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^^^^its been pulled as I write this. Postponed until next year, message via email.
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I see the biggest impediment to a larger and better L'Eroica (U.S.) event as the riders, themselves. Enthusiasm for, and the consistent riding of, vintage bikes should be much more prevalent, but as we look around, we see (even guys my age, 63) riding new, Chinese carbon. As you have noted, Britain has a long and storied history of serious and organized cycling; N.C.U., B.L.R.C., C.T.C., and as we see from the healthy numbers at L'Eroica Brittania in years past, many of these riders have not forgotten about vintage bikes and riding. Napa would be cool, as would Monterey. The move of L'Eroica Brittania from Bakewell to Goodwood will increase the numbers of riders manifold (is that an auto joke?) because of its proximity to more, large population centers, and perhaps moving L'Eroica California to Monterey would increase access and consequent numbers, so it may be worth a look. I do like your idea of an East Coast L'Eroica, and think there is enough enthusiasm to sustain one, but I could be wrong.
Has L'Eroica California expressed an interest in expanding?
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^^^^its been pulled as I write this. Postponed until next year, message via email.
do you care to post that email here? I have not received anything
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^^^Thats the problem with this event, they do not communicate unless you chase them down . It took a couple of emails and other inquiries to get them to actually respond. Then I finally got the email as others on this forum as well as the CR list that was loosely translated. I don’t know how to post the actual email that was sent to me , but I posted the actual text of the email here and on the CR list immediately after I got it last week. I had told the event coordinator that people need to be told soon because some travel plans and reservations need to be considered. Unless the Eroica folks start communicating better , this event is not viable. I understand the times we are in and we all are dealing with it but it is no excuse for lack of communication.IMHO Joe
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do you care to post that email here? I have not received anything
That would be telling.
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For events like Eroica to succeed on the long term they need a solid foundation. Most countries in western Europe, especially Italy, France and Belgium, have a long road racing history. Every generation has grown up with the Tour de France, the Giro d'Italia or the Ronde van Vlaanderen and has been worshiping its champions for a hundred years or more. L'Eroica and similar events, like Anjou Vélo Vintage and the Retroronde attract large international crowds and have the sympathy of the people.
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For events like Eroica to succeed on the long term they need a solid foundation. Most countries in western Europe, especially Italy, France and Belgium, have a long road racing history. Every generation has grown up with the Tour de France, the Giro d'Italia or the Ronde van Vlaanderen and has been worshiping its champions for a hundred years or more. L'Eroica and similar events, like Anjou Vélo Vintage and the Retroronde attract large international crowds and have the sympathy of the people.
This, in a nutshell.
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I see the biggest impediment to a larger and better L'Eroica (U.S.) event as the riders, themselves. Enthusiasm for, and the consistent riding of, vintage bikes should be much more prevalent, but as we look around, we see (even guys my age, 63) riding new, Chinese carbon. As you have noted, Britain has a long and storied history of serious and organized cycling; N.C.U., B.L.R.C., C.T.C., and as we see from the healthy numbers at L'Eroica Brittania in years past, many of these riders have not forgotten about vintage bikes and riding. Napa would be cool, as would Monterey. The move of L'Eroica Brittania from Bakewell to Goodwood will increase the numbers of riders manifold (is that an auto joke?) because of its proximity to more, large population centers, and perhaps moving L'Eroica California to Monterey would increase access and consequent numbers, so it may be worth a look. I do like your idea of an East Coast L'Eroica, and think there is enough enthusiasm to sustain one, but I could be wrong.
Has L'Eroica California expressed an interest in expanding?
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This, in a nutshell.
Agree with both of you. As far as Expansion, no, haven't heard anything simply because getting the one event held and stable has been the primary focus. I really think sans pandemic, the 2020 event would have been at least as large if not larger than the 2019 event (900+ classic and 200+ Nova riders. I had heard 2021 estimates of 1200+ Classic and 300+ Nova riders was the goal or signed up already (including prior registrations) but that cancellations were beginning to mount. My understanding is Eroica Germania, held mid August, had a decent turnout ~500, but many others declined due to worries about Covid and the general issues of travel and exposure. Certainly, Europe is still dealing with as difficult a time as we are here in the US. Economic viability isn't easy with that few riders when expecting and hoping for much more.

As for an East Coast Eroica, I certainly think its doable and offers some great options for routes and scenery. Whether there's wineries, picturesque small towns, and any major bike culture to tie into, well that would be up to potential organizers to propose and promote. One wonders whether existing Gran Fondos for instance could tie in an Eroica like Classic Steel event along with the regular ride? That could be one way to introduce and develop a regional following and provide viable options with less travel. You might even attract some of us left coasters to fly out and join the fun. The Dale Brown / Cycles D' Oro Classic Rendezvous event in North Carolina pulls in members from all over the country but isn't nearly as big.

Of course, all of this presumes that Eroica in Italy would be open to new or additional events in the same country.
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I think participating in any large event, either in Sussex or San Robles, is folly right now, especially if we have to travel, but even if we don't, being in the slipstream of multiple riders, for an extended period, is probably not what we want, especially while breathing heavily or rapidly. While we keep our cardio/respiratory systems fit with solo rides, it gives us time to think about how these race organizers can adapt and prepare most effectively. Of course, postponing an event costs money, and effects more than the event itself, but the local hospitality and travel industries, as well. This is going to take some patience, flexibility and finance-management, both personal and public.
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Luckily I am not fast enough to be in anyone's slipstream for long, as I will be off to Valkenburg tomorrow, for Eroica Limburg.

I hope to get there in time to catch the TI Raleigh Memorial Ride, with Joop Zoetemelk, Leo van Vliet and 15 more former Raleigh team members. Jan Janssen, Erik Zabel, Johan Museeuw and Bernard Hinault will also be present, I've been told.

Talk about tying in with local racing history. Every Dutchman from a certain age remembers the 1980 TdF, where TI Raleigh took 11 stage wins, as well as the yellow and white jerseys. The province of Limburg has also been the home of the Amstel Gold Race since its conception, and the town of Valkenburg has been a regular host of the men's road cycling World Championships since 1938.

This Saturday we will all be riding (or walking) up the Cauberg, just like the guys below were doing in 1938 (the riding, not the walking). The winner, the Belgian Marcel Kint, is the second rider from the right:

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