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Old 09-08-21, 05:10 PM
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Help Identifying Vintage Marinoni Frame

Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the year, model and, more importantly, 27" vs 700c wheel size on this frame that I'm considering purchasing? I measured the distance from the center of the front dropout to the brake mounting bolt hole as 370 mm. Unfortunately, based on my collection of 27" & 700c bikes, that seems to be too course of a measurement to prove anything definitively. The seller thinks that the bike is from the late 70's and described it as follows:

Early Marinoni frame that used Zeus fork and dropout.
Seattube 60cm.
Toptube 57cm.
126mm rear spacing.
26.6mm seatpost size.
Hattaswan headset and Stronglight BB include.




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Marinoni, to my knowledge, did not use this type of tubing. No stamped fork and seatstays
Maybe but...
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Old 09-08-21, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by reissue59 View Post
Marinoni, to my knowledge, did not use this type of tubing. No stamped fork and seatstays
Maybe but...
Yeah, the seller expressed similar confusion, wondering if it was really a Zeus frame distributed by Marinoni. That, or some bizzare effort are counterfeit.
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Is there a "M" cut out in the BB shell?
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Why not ask the definitive source: Cycles Marinoni Inc. - Contact
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I emailed Marinoni when I found my 89 Special. I sent the SN# and they replied back in a few hours with the details. I'd try that first.
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Originally Posted by Harold74 View Post
Yeah, the seller expressed similar confusion, wondering if it was really a Zeus frame distributed by Marinoni. That, or some bizzare effort are counterfeit.
Hopefully the $$$ reflected his confusion?
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FWIW, I’ve never seen a Marinoni “M” decal that looked like those on this HT and ST, same for the DT ones. +1 on sending the S/N to Marinoni.
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If you took the decals off, it'd look like a mid-range Raleigh or Falcon to me...
not too familiar with Zeus stuff, if it is that. Fork would be common for English stuff , same with the BB cable guides...
but could also be english/531 straight gauge seattube (26.6,26.8), as opposed to a single butted 531... or similar other tubing...
whatz the BB say, as far as threading ?
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
Is there a "M" cut out in the BB shell?
I don't recall there being an "M" but, then, I wasn't looking for one. I've asked the seller for a photo of the BB underside.

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Why not ask the definitive source: Cycles Marinoni Inc. - Contact
Done. Not sure why I didn't think of that. The owner will send me the S/N later.

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Hopefully the $$$ reflected his confusion?
I really couldn't say as I'm not very knowledgeable about the value of vintage frames. The listed price is $290 CAD / $230 USD.

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FWIW, I’ve never seen a Marinoni “M” decal that looked like those on this HT and ST, same for the DT ones. +1 on sending the S/N to Marinoni.
My contact at Marinoni has said the same thing.

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whatz the BB say, as far as threading ?
I don't yet know. The bottom bracket is of particular concern to me as:

1) I'm especially lacking in skill when it comes to assessing bottom bracket compatibility.

2) My interest in the frame is all about my ability to quickly migrate all of the non-frame stuff over from an old, Nishiki Olypic to this frame. That will include a non-original, Sugino crankset that used to be a triple but is now being run as a double.​​
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The seller strikes me as a forthright gentlemen. If the frame is counterfeit, I'd be willing to bet that's a surprise to him as well. Among the items that he's selling are bunch of very expensive violins. Compared to the potential value of those transactions (>$5000), it's hard to imagine that he has any great concern for being deceptive on this $300 item.
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No serial to be found. So that'll likely be the end of my interest on the frame unless someone shows up with a Hail Mary "I used to have one of those". Thanks, all , for the assistance.
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Originally Posted by Harold74 View Post
...My interest in the frame is all about my ability to quickly migrate all of the non-frame stuff over from an old, Nishiki Olypic to this frame. That will include a non-original, Sugino crankset that used to be a triple but is now being run as a double.​​
If that's your concern, then you wouldn't be interested in an early Marinoni. Having been born in Italy and apprenticed under Rossin at Colnago, Marinoni BB shells were tapped to Italian standard, while the Nishiki would be English standard. They're incompatible. The seat post would also likely be incompatible. Depending on their repsective era, you may also have a brake reach issue with the wheels and and a width issue with the hubs.

You need to ask the owner the BB threading stabndard (stamped on the cups), seat post seat diameter,

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