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Is this a fake Raleigh? or what model is it?

Old 09-10-21, 06:46 AM
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Is this a fake Raleigh? or what model is it?

Hi Gents I am looking for an reliable old frame to build a single speed bike for my kid, found this Raleigh but it looks abit dodgy with the DIY paint job.
Is this a real Raleigh? The only thing I found is the front Raleigh badge and two triangular lugs under the tubes. The Raleigh badges I have seen all have the three screws, this one looks like it's glued on.




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Old 09-10-21, 07:28 AM
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Seat stay cap looks like it might have an identifying mark. I would not sweat it actually being a Raleigh, if the bike is sound and functions properly.
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Looks "Raleigh-ish", SN would tell. Triangular lugs are stops for clamp on cable guides/stops/shifters so I'd say late 70's maybe. Head badge is probably aftermarket glue on.
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does not exhibit the usual Raleigh proprietary headset

stamped fork crown appears asian
fork appears it could be an off-the-shelf Akisu

keep in mind it could be a Raleigh but not from the UK

plants maintained in nations such as India, Malaysia and Canada

head emblem certainly not the usual Raleigh UK one

look forward to reading the observations of our heronic experts...


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Might be a Raleigh but from the 70ís as said. Donít go by that badge. It is sold on eBay and goes with the modern Raleigh offerings.


Modern, no colour, all silver and larger in size

70ís with rivets
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If I were you (and just to clarify, I am not you, and I'm perfectly good with being me), I would remove all the parts, strip the paint, give it a rattle can coat or two of primer and then several rattle can passes with FLAT black. Then I would put the parts back on, and add a front brake plus pedal straps (if fixie), or front + rear brake (if SS), as I wouldn't want to be attending my own son's funeral, if you know what I mean....
Hahaha, that's the plan, to strip it and repaint but I want to make sure the frame material is chromoly steel before spending time on it. Doesn't matter if it's Tange, Reynolds or Conlumbus, as long as it's not Hi-ten steel or pig steel I am happy to sand down and do a proper paint job on it. Can't tell the differences without any stickers and everything is covered in that dodgy paint job.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
Might be a Raleigh but from the 70ís as said. Donít go by that badge. It is sold on eBay and goes with the modern Raleigh offerings.


Modern, no colour, all silver and larger in size

70ís with rivets
Thanks, nice shirt btw.
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Originally Posted by Murray Missile View Post
Looks "Raleigh-ish", SN would tell. Triangular lugs are stops for clamp on cable guides/stops/shifters so I'd say late 70's maybe. Head badge is probably aftermarket glue on.
Thanks, finally I know what are those triangular lugs for, and its era.
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Hahaha, that's the plan, to strip it and repaint but I want to make sure the frame material is chromoly steel before spending time on it. Doesn't matter if it's Tange, Reynolds or Conlumbus, as long as it's not Hi-ten steel or pig steel I am happy to sand down and do a proper paint job on it. Can't tell the differences without any stickers and everything is covered in that dodgy paint job.
The quickest way to get a sense of the quality of a steel frame may be to pull the seat post and measure it. Assuming it's not French/metric, the seat tube exterior will be nominally 28.6, perhaps a bit more due to layers of paint. If the seat post is 26. something, it's probably decent steel, and if it's smaller then it's some sort of hi-ten or comparable.
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
The quickest way to get a sense of the quality of a steel frame may be to pull the seat post and measure it. Assuming it's not French/metric, the seat tube exterior will be nominally 28.6, perhaps a bit more due to layers of paint. If the seat post is 26. something, it's probably decent steel, and if it's smaller then it's some sort of hi-ten or comparable.
Thanks for the tip, I'll arrange another visit and try this out. Any other methods I could try?
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That looks rather "Recordesque". As other have noted, the serial number would go a long way towards confirming the year and from that, the model.
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Originally Posted by onyerleft View Post
If I were you (and just to clarify, I am not you, and I'm perfectly good with being me), I would remove all the parts, strip the paint, give it a rattle can coat or two of primer and then several rattle can passes with FLAT black. Then I would put the parts back on, and add a front brake plus pedal straps (if fixie), or front + rear brake (if SS), as I wouldn't want to be attending my own son's funeral, if you know what I mean....
Let's see, the frame's already flat black. The paint appears to be in good shape. Sounds like digging a hole and filling it back in.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Let's see, the frame's already flat black. The paint appears to be in good shape. Sounds like digging a hole and filling it back in.
Is that paint? It looks to me like they might have slapped a layer of tar on it.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Is that paint? It looks to me like they might have slapped a layer of tar on it.
They had it Ziebarted.....
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