Top 5 most desirable steel frame classics.
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Bike boom production
Paramount, done, 1958, 74, 76
Raleigh Pro, done, 74, 76, 78
Moto TC, done, 74
Cinelli SC, done, 1960-1ish
Bianchi SC, done, 1981
Custom
Merz, done, x5
Strawberry/Newlands, done x3
DiNucci/Strawberry, done, 76?
Gordon, done, 78
Moulton/Fuso, done x3
Other
3Rensho, done
Specialized 3Rensho built Allez, done
Merz Specialized Allez SE, done x2
Ritchey MTB, done, chrome 75?
Marinoni, done, x2
Peugeot PX10, done x2
Pretty good start on things and also already have way too many others.
Paramount, done, 1958, 74, 76
Raleigh Pro, done, 74, 76, 78
Moto TC, done, 74
Cinelli SC, done, 1960-1ish
Bianchi SC, done, 1981
Custom
Merz, done, x5
Strawberry/Newlands, done x3
DiNucci/Strawberry, done, 76?
Gordon, done, 78
Moulton/Fuso, done x3
Other
3Rensho, done
Specialized 3Rensho built Allez, done
Merz Specialized Allez SE, done x2
Ritchey MTB, done, chrome 75?
Marinoni, done, x2
Peugeot PX10, done x2
Pretty good start on things and also already have way too many others.
Merziac, do you still have all these??? Or has the Merz/Strawberry tack encouraged you to thin the herd? I've only ever seen pics of the Merz's, Strawberries, and the lone Paramount.
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Since I posted on this thread, I have acquired two bike frames of which one satisfies my previous list. Although it hasn't been ridden yet, and it has its flaws it works. I like it aesthetically at the moment.
1971 Bianchi, unknown model if any. Just another excuse to post pics.
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What is cool for me is the integrated HS.
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1971 Bianchi, unknown model if any. Just another excuse to post pics.
71BianchiDone14 on FlickrWhat is cool for me is the integrated HS.
Bianchi1971IntegratedHeadset on Flickr
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Plenty not listed here and many languishing as frame only/as found bike, etc.
I am very much guilty of "shiny new object" syndrome and most of the recent ones have been grail finds so they have gotten immediate attention and been sorted out.
I added several this last year as the first full year of retirement, 40's women's Paramount, 94 MB-1, 70's chrome Ritchey, 94 Big S Stumpy and the recent Strawberry.
The big silver Merz got new wheels and a full scrub and polish for Bob Freemans show and the green, full on original Merz touring got the same for Eroica so it was a far more productive year than usual for me.
4 of the Paramount's have been sprinkled throughout and only 2 of 4/5 the Strawberries have been seen recently.
I have added way too many since I started this and probably have enough to keep me busy the rest of my life.
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I already shared what I think are my five favorite bikes that I currently have in the garage, but I do have a kind of mental list of what I’d like to have. The criteria here are arbitrary. They have to be nice enough to displace something I already have, because the garage is full. They also have to be something I think I might be able to find within the price range I’d be willing to spend. The De Rosa and Masi I posted earlier didn’t meet this second criteria before I found them cheaper than I expected. So, something like a really nice Hetchins that I would jump at if I found it for the right price isn’t on the list because it’s not something I’m “looking for.”
Finally, my wish list:
Peugeot PX-10 — These are common enough that I could probably go on eBay and buy one tonight. I’m holding out for the right combination of fit, price, and condition coming along when I have cash on hand and time to work on it. I like French bikes, and this is an iconic model, so I’d like to try it. Normally, I like to modernize the components on my vintage frames, but I’d like one with all classic French components, and a PX-10 would be perfect for that.
Cinelli Supercorsa — I had one of these pass through my garage. I bought my De Rosa as part of a package that included a Supercoorsa frame that I had agreed to resell to @Spaghetti Legs before I saw it. I was immediately smitten with the frame after seeing it and tried to talk Spaghetti Legs into backing out of our deal. Alas, I couldn’t convince him not to pass it up, so I shipped it off to him with a tear 8n my eye. One day I’ll get one.
Sarroni red Colnago — I don’t know if I care what model. I love this color, and it has a tight association with Colnago. I have a nice-riding Colnago that I could have painted, but the color and decals I imagine don’t properly go with the model I have (a 1997 C97).
I was going for five, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the others I can think of I just kind of passing interests that I might not even act on if I came across at a good price. So, there you go. Maybe my N+1 drive is weakening as I approach D-1.
Finally, my wish list:
Peugeot PX-10 — These are common enough that I could probably go on eBay and buy one tonight. I’m holding out for the right combination of fit, price, and condition coming along when I have cash on hand and time to work on it. I like French bikes, and this is an iconic model, so I’d like to try it. Normally, I like to modernize the components on my vintage frames, but I’d like one with all classic French components, and a PX-10 would be perfect for that.
Cinelli Supercorsa — I had one of these pass through my garage. I bought my De Rosa as part of a package that included a Supercoorsa frame that I had agreed to resell to @Spaghetti Legs before I saw it. I was immediately smitten with the frame after seeing it and tried to talk Spaghetti Legs into backing out of our deal. Alas, I couldn’t convince him not to pass it up, so I shipped it off to him with a tear 8n my eye. One day I’ll get one.
Sarroni red Colnago — I don’t know if I care what model. I love this color, and it has a tight association with Colnago. I have a nice-riding Colnago that I could have painted, but the color and decals I imagine don’t properly go with the model I have (a 1997 C97).
I was going for five, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the others I can think of I just kind of passing interests that I might not even act on if I came across at a good price. So, there you go. Maybe my N+1 drive is weakening as I approach D-1.
Peugeot PX-10 -- Nailed it! And I'm happy to say, I love the ride of this. It lives up to its reputation.
Sarroni red Colnago -- Would you believe a Sarroni red Pinarello? I know, it doesn't have quite the same historic connection, but it's really the color that I was after, and I love this one.
something like a really nice Hetchins -- OK, that was a big ask, and as I said above not something I even intended to seek out, but for not seeking it out, I think the Mercian Vincitore I got last month is kind of a poor man's Hetchins. At least, I will be a poor man after I pay to have it painted.
Now if I can just talk @Spaghetti Legs into selling me that blue Supercorsa....
I should stop making mental lists like this.
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My 5 bikes. Ranked
1. Peter Johnson (have a 2004 Brian Baylis paint)
2. Ritchey Roadbike (have 1978 fillet version, acquired 2022)
3. Merz
4. Cinelli Mod B (have a 1958)
5. Masi GC (have a 1976)
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1. Peter Johnson (have a 2004 Brian Baylis paint)
2. Ritchey Roadbike (have 1978 fillet version, acquired 2022)
3. Merz
4. Cinelli Mod B (have a 1958)
5. Masi GC (have a 1976)
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01-18-23, 04:28 PM
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1991 Raleigh Equipe Z with Reynolds 753 Frame
1992 Peugeot Prestige with Reynolds 708 Classic
1992 CT Wallis Reynolds 731 OS Race
1998 Peugeot Team Line Columbus Genius Frame
1998 Peugeot Team Line Columbus Neuron Frame
1992 Peugeot Prestige with Reynolds 708 Classic
1992 CT Wallis Reynolds 731 OS Race
1998 Peugeot Team Line Columbus Genius Frame
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01-18-23, 04:41 PM
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Favorite steel bikes
I like to have specific categories of bikes: a touring bike (Haral, below) for riding around town, a classic for staring (Cinelli, below), and a long-distance bike for weekend exercise (Kirk, below, ten years vintage).
I'll always want a Peter Johnson. My "goal bikes" are a custom 70s / early 80s Eisentraut, a nice Bob Jackson / Stan Pike / English bike and a Weigle.
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I have no more room for more bikes, but in an alternate universe, I would wish for:
2010 Co-Motion Espresso
1997 LeMond Buenos Aires
1984 Raleigh Road Ace
1982 Lotus Supreme
1964 Bertin C38 (track)
2010 Co-Motion Espresso
1997 LeMond Buenos Aires
1984 Raleigh Road Ace
1982 Lotus Supreme
1964 Bertin C38 (track)
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01-18-23, 05:37 PM
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In regards to important Italian builders, don't forget Giuseppe Pela and Giovanni Losa. Both built little to nothing under their own name, but many of the greats rode their frames with other decals. Among the many pros that Pela built for were Merckxand Anquetil.
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I hear you well! As a matter-of-fact, I would rather have a good steel fork than carbon. Especially old carbon that has been thoroughly used. That's why I chose the '97 B.A. over the '99. I'm quirky, though..., I prefer Kinesis aluminum, so that's what I'd probably pop on the B.A.
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01-19-23, 07:08 AM
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I'm with Road Fan, I'd have to include a tandem. The Santana Arriva I bought in 1985 caused me to smile for 30 + years.
Oh yeah, some of those single bikes are fine too.
Oh yeah, some of those single bikes are fine too.
01-19-23, 03:19 PM
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It just took a little longer although I found 3 of the Merz's fairly quickly the Starwberry's took a little longer and were harder to nail down closer to my size.
Now there are more derivatives and I have some of them now too so I have most of what I want/need and then some.
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I think I'm fortunate in that I was able to find 3 of the exact bikes I looked for.
1986 Trek 400 Elance.
1986 Trek 400 Elance by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr
1985 Trek 620.
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1985 Trek 720.
IMG_0616 by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr
I looked for "A" Miyata 1000 and came out with a 1990 Miyata 1000LT- and I don't think I could have asked for a better year- but I do like the Teal 91s.
M1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr
I always think I'd like something like a Herse or Singer- but truth be told- I'd want to build it up all modern-y instead of letting it be it's own awesome self- so I could never have a legit antique classic.
Up until a few years ago, I really wanted a Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen- with cantis. I guess I'd take one if it popped up, I just don't feel like chasing after it anymore.
If I were to have a custom made- Ellis would be my first choice. Of course, I totally forgot about Weigle until seeing Paul's beauties. Or a chrome plated, fillet brazed Ebisu. Or a Toei... Maybe someday if the money drops into my lap...
1986 Trek 400 Elance.
1986 Trek 400 Elance by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr1985 Trek 620.
1985 Trek 620 by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr1985 Trek 720.
IMG_0616 by Dave The Golden Boy, on FlickrI looked for "A" Miyata 1000 and came out with a 1990 Miyata 1000LT- and I don't think I could have asked for a better year- but I do like the Teal 91s.
M1000LT by Dave The Golden Boy, on FlickrI always think I'd like something like a Herse or Singer- but truth be told- I'd want to build it up all modern-y instead of letting it be it's own awesome self- so I could never have a legit antique classic.
Up until a few years ago, I really wanted a Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen- with cantis. I guess I'd take one if it popped up, I just don't feel like chasing after it anymore.
If I were to have a custom made- Ellis would be my first choice. Of course, I totally forgot about Weigle until seeing Paul's beauties. Or a chrome plated, fillet brazed Ebisu. Or a Toei... Maybe someday if the money drops into my lap...
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Thanks for the heads up!!!
A few days ago I was just talking about how I've seen my pix end up on ads for stuff- so then I was worried that someone was using my pix to scam someone-
No- that's a totally different 21" 1985 Trek 720. But thank you very much for letting me know!
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No- that's a totally different 21" 1985 Trek 720. But thank you very much for letting me know!
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Thanks for the heads up!!!
A few days ago I was just talking about how I've seen my pix end up on ads for stuff- so then I was worried that someone was using my pix to scam someone-
No- that's a totally different 21" 1985 Trek 720. But thank you very much for letting me know!
A few days ago I was just talking about how I've seen my pix end up on ads for stuff- so then I was worried that someone was using my pix to scam someone-
No- that's a totally different 21" 1985 Trek 720. But thank you very much for letting me know!
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Not in order. The key word is “classics”
1 DeRosa from the early 70s, made by Ugo his own self.
2 Masi from the mid 60s..Paint and letter it as a Peugeot with the proper French parts, just like Eddy’s…
3 Cinelli SC from the late 60s…
4 Alex Singer from the late 80s…both Ernest and Olivier Csuka would have a hand in the building at that time..
5 Prestige Peugeot 1979…The last year for centerpull brakes in the pro peloton on a major team’s bikes. Built by the same guy (Raoul Jean D’Heure) who built the frames for Thevenet, Kuiper, Simon, Anderson, etc….with all of the proper equipment with the titanium bits as possible…
1 DeRosa from the early 70s, made by Ugo his own self.
2 Masi from the mid 60s..Paint and letter it as a Peugeot with the proper French parts, just like Eddy’s…
3 Cinelli SC from the late 60s…
4 Alex Singer from the late 80s…both Ernest and Olivier Csuka would have a hand in the building at that time..
5 Prestige Peugeot 1979…The last year for centerpull brakes in the pro peloton on a major team’s bikes. Built by the same guy (Raoul Jean D’Heure) who built the frames for Thevenet, Kuiper, Simon, Anderson, etc….with all of the proper equipment with the titanium bits as possible…
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Alright imma join the fun. Tbf, I have only been in the cycling/wrenching game for about 1.5 y, but it has developed into a passion (both riding and mechanics).
1) Puch (Steyr-Daimler) Vent Noir. (This bike in particular is a beauty I would love to own/ride/build up)
2) Cinelli
3) Bianchi
4) Koga Miyata
5)... no idea.
I have inherited a Colnago Master, which unfortunately is too small for me and will be sold off.
1) Puch (Steyr-Daimler) Vent Noir. (This bike in particular is a beauty I would love to own/ride/build up)
2) Cinelli
3) Bianchi
4) Koga Miyata
5)... no idea.
I have inherited a Colnago Master, which unfortunately is too small for me and will be sold off.
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My favorite steel bike in my stable:
My 1983 Davidson Signature.
Sublime, a true atisanal American classic that rides fantastic.
My 1983 Davidson Signature.
Sublime, a true atisanal American classic that rides fantastic.
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03-13-23, 08:37 PM
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My "top-5" I most desire?! It is to laugh.
This is the shortest list I can come up with (in no particular order):
Top-5 most-desirable British frames that will probably remain unobtainable:
This is the shortest list I can come up with (in no particular order):
Top-5 most-desirable British frames that will probably remain unobtainable:
- Alpex built by Jack Denny, with curved seat-tube & curly chain-stays
- Elswick Vampire Convincable (were any made beyond the prototype?)
- Norris Lockley/Bespoke of Settle - the model with the cut seat-tube, a bit like a "Flying Gate" (can't recall the name)
- Freddy Grubb cross-frame
- Ephrgrave with the lugs shaped like swallows or ivy leaves
- Ephgrave - preferably an early #1 Super
- Hetchin's Hellenic
- Gillott Taper-Tube
- H.R. Morris - something with elaborate lug-work
- Rensch Paris Galibier
- Lino Messori "Forata"
- Bugatti space-frame built by Marco Bertazzoni
- something that Pelà built
- Pogliaghi
- Guerciotti
- Giame
- Paratella
- Drali
(all pre-1980s)
- Camille Daudon model "10T"
- Caminade Caminargent
- Nicola Barra alloy cross-frame
- anything built by Anicet Cattanéo
- Herse mixte
- Nagasawa - pre-1980 track frame
- Toei - pre-1980 randonneur
- pre-1860 laufmaschine
- Dursley Pedersen
- Ivor Johnson "truss-frame"
- Simplex pastoorfiets
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Having gone through at least 2 dozen bikes, I'd have to say the nicest riding vintage bikes were a De Rosa Professional, my current Tommasini Comp, and an early 80s Ciocc. Had a 1984 Bianchi Specialissima, but sold it since it wasn't my size and honestly didn't ride that well. I will say that my oldish (90s) Ritchey Road Logic probably rode nicer than any vintage Italian bike I had.
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"Best" is very opinion specific-
bikes I own that are sought after -
Confente 1976
Colnago '68 through '73
Masi Gran Criterium- '70-'75
Cinelli Super Corsa '72
many others but not in the highly sought after category.
bikes I own that are sought after -
Confente 1976
Colnago '68 through '73
Masi Gran Criterium- '70-'75
Cinelli Super Corsa '72
many others but not in the highly sought after category.
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And I'm painting the dozens of paint issues including real rust on the Pro Miyata I picked up last summer with custom mixed fingernail polish. The bike is a step down from the Team Miyata but with ovalized and semi-aero blades and seatstays. (Just one WB, no pump peg so just like the Fuji Pro I raced long ago and loved so the same clamp-on extras.) Bike spent real time outdoors. Lots of rust. Parts were close to trash but it seems everything important on the frame is basically OK. (Seatpost pin pulled out of threads when I adjust the seat after my first ride and is now an Ace Hardware bolt.) I'd have to spend a lot of money to make this bike look beautiful or even respectable. But the ride! Takes a 155 stem to fit me but I've got two so NBD. The rest of the fit - as right on as you can get. Handling - pure race and perfect. Stiff. All effort goes forward! Always feels like I could have ridden that rough road or off camber corner faster. The bike simply takes me places. Often faster than these legs really want to go.
(And pics, if they ever happen, will be from a distance!)
(And pics, if they ever happen, will be from a distance!)