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What exactly is Raleigh 555 Tubing anyway?
To this day I really don't know who really made the tubing on my 1983 Raleigh Prestige Grand Sport. The frame and fork have Raleigh 555 Tubing. Did Raleigh contract with Reynolds or some other maker? Does anyone out there have any details they could share?
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Originally Posted by tjfastback66
(Post 22251912)
To this day I really don't know who really made the tubing on my 1983 Raleigh Prestige Grand Sport. The frame and fork have Raleigh 555 Tubing. Did Raleigh contract with Reynolds or some other maker? Does anyone out there have any details they could share?
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Sorry we're usually a little more helpful around here.
Try this thread to start: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...55-tubing.html |
The bike like it’s mystery are all good!
happen to have a pic of this “other” Raleigh? |
They originally labeled it 666 tubing, but, well, that didn’t work out too well.
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Raleigh 555 Tubing
Originally Posted by jamesdak
(Post 22251962)
Try this thread to start:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...55-tubing.html As T-Mar pointed out in his post, in the early 70's there were several bicycle books that tried to explain tubing including the cryptic Reynolds decals: 531 Straight Gauge 3 Main Tubes 531 Straight Gauge 3 Main Tubes plus 531 Forks and Rear Stays 531 Butted 3 Main Tubes 531 Butted 3 Main Tubes plus 531 Forks and Rear Stays and so on... Then there were the French versions... :foo: Marketoids plus naive and not so naive bike shops took advantage of inexperienced buyers during the US Bike Boom Fad. Reynolds 531 became the iconic standard for identifying a "top quality" bike regardless of what the decals indicated. Back then there were a lot of European bikes made with some sort of Reynolds 531 main tubes but gas pipe forks and stays! The 531 main tubes may may have saved a few ounces but the bikes still rode like entry level gas pipe models. About 1976 I received a 3 page mimeographed copy of Reynolds 531 "Stock List" from them that showed all of the bicycle tubing dimensions that they produced. It included straight gauge main tubes with thicknesses down to 0.3mm! They could provide just about any combination of tubes they offered as long as they included enough tubing to build at least 100 frames. Lesser quantities had to be purchased through a "Stockist" which in the UK was their primary vendor Holdsworth. This chart is from the 1974 edition of DeLong's Guide To Bicycles & Bicycling. It shows the commonly available Reynolds 531 tubing sets from that era (along with Columbus Tubing). Reynolds 531 Sprint tubing with 1.02mm x 0.71mm main tubes was the standard wall thickness used on most production frames up into the early 80's.. Schwinn Paramounts were made with that tubing - straight from the horses mouth - Richard Schwinn. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...066276b508.jpg A number of people in the US made fake Reynolds decals like these from a 1974-75 bike magazine ad. Reynolds' lawyers came down on all of them like a ton of bricks. They fiercely defended their trademarks. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dff583e1da.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...933fc3f4ae.png https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cd51f95de0.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...689d40bd58.jpg verktyg :50: |
I think it is the tubing you would use to make a telephone call in a Hollywood movie.
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Jeez, despite the slight about my recommendation to check the amazing revelations in the past marathon posts, I own (I think) 6 555sl framed bikes right now. Regardless if was made by Ishiwata or Tange, it's really respectable stuff.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 22252184)
The bike like it’s mystery are all good!
happen to have a pic of this “other” Raleigh? https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb685ba6d3.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e25bd2264.jpg |
Gonzo Bob :lol:
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My current belief is that mid-1980s 555SL is based on Tange No. 1, though the evidence is circumstantial. Most of these bicycles surface with Tange steerer tubes and the seat post diameters suggest a double butted seat tube as employed by Tange. There was heavier gauge, double butted, 555T which was most likely based on Tange No.2.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22252518)
My current belief is that mid-1980s 555SL is based on Tange No. 1, though the evidence is circumstantial. Most of these bicycles surface with Tange steerer tubes and the seat post diameters suggest a double butted seat tube as employed by Tange. There was heavier gauge, double butted, 555T which was most likely based on Tange No.2.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf5eca7962.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e5a3502f3c.jpg |
Originally Posted by tjfastback66
(Post 22251912)
What exactly is Raleigh 555 Tubing anyway?
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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...beb587a4ad.jpg
From the Team USA bikes. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...150b3e0e9e.jpg If one of these ever shows up in my size I'm in trouble. I love the paint scheme. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22252682)
What it is, is the ultimate troll job. Brand marketers wanted to mess with cyclists for decades to come, so they made up a tubing logo and slapped it on frames. Those guys had some real twisted humor.
Originally Posted by verktyg
(Post 22252197)
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Originally Posted by francophile
(Post 22252879)
Basically this was going to be my reply, but with less words. "Gimmick"
Oh man ... I need to find this on a t-shirt. Totally love it! |
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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22252190)
They originally labeled it 666 tubing...
https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/fi...g9-axpbw1g.jpg . |
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