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Old 10-23-21, 05:50 PM
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What do your eyes see? Minimum info from seller

NDS pic alert! Going to see this bike tomorrow. Little info from the seller but this just makes it more fun. It seems like it has first gen 105? Mavic rims. Frame looks good too!

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Old 10-23-21, 05:58 PM
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Looks pretty good from here.
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Shipmano 105? Cycles Galileo Dinge? Might be worth looking at for a few quid
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That look more like 2nd generation Shimano New 105 (1987-1989) on a decent but mass production frame.
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Nice looking bike, frame looks tall.
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Shipmano 105? Cycles Galileo Dinge? Might be worth looking at for a few quid
I'd guess it is CYCLES GALLARDO DIGNE.

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Old 10-23-21, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
That look more like 2nd generation Shimano New 105 (1987-1989) on a decent but mass production frame.
What do you look at on the frame when you try to estimate its value just with a picture? Honest question here. I looked at the lug work, I noticed the chrome, etc. Still doesn't tell me much!
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you're on a dedicated forum for C&V. People know tubing & manufacturers very well here. That bike in that condition is worth about 50-100$
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you're on a dedicated forum for C&V. People know tubing & manufacturers very well here. That bike in that condition is worth about 50-100$
Hard to say for sure with only one NDS photo, but I think $50-$100 is way too low for this -- that would be a steal, IMHO. Not sure of tubing -- paint has some issues, but ok components -- assuming no major issues there the eBay value of just the parts cleaned up is likely $300. Depending upon tubing (if decent, which seems likely given the chrome)) and if the bike fits you and how it rides I'd say the frame/fork are worth another $150-$200.

Where I am $50-$100 gets you a beat up Walmart special or a Schwinn Collegiate -- not a real road bike like this. Sure, there are bargains to be had here and there everywhere, but if bikes like this are regularly $50-$100 in Belchertown perhaps i need to load up a U-haul's worth and flip them!

I'd say $300-$350 assuming ok tubing and all working parts is a good deal. YMMV>
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Of course I wasn't putting Tmar's opinion into question. I'm just curious to know what exactly he looks at. I own a lot of CV bikes myself and have restored a few as well over the years. But my knowledge has limits.
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In every case my question was not so much with the value as with the equipment there. Wanted to know it someone could confirm it was 105, if the saddle rang a bell, the brand, the tubing, etc. I'll go see the bike in person tomorrow and will decide there if it's worth what is asked, that's my call in the end. Just wanted to surf a bit on my own hype and ask members here to share their views!
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Looks like a good quality frame under all that dirt, grime and grease.
I do recognize the seatpost as a French JPR. A seatpost used on mostly mid level French sport/race bikes.
The headset could be a Stronglight B10 with the Delrin cups....
A drive side pic would have been helpful.....

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Shipmano 105? Cycles Galileo Dinge? Might be worth looking at for a few quid
https://www.gallardo-bike-shop.fr/
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Originally Posted by jonny7 View Post
What do you look at on the frame when you try to estimate its value just with a picture? Honest question here. I looked at the lug work, I noticed the chrome, etc. Still doesn't tell me much!
Well, what I do: i look at the brand first, if it is a good and well-known one, i look closer if it's legit. Check the group set and components, if they match the vintage of the frame, they are saying a bit about the quality of the frame, because no one but a top group on a mid level frame and vice versa. Shop brands like this one rarely were top level, either.
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What I see is a decent bike with probable accelerated wear. So, quick test ride in order.
wheels have seen use- check for flat spots - trueness, uniform spoke tension.

the rear dropouts might be Campagnolo or Gipiemme, or Columbus even, all same basic supplier. Good.
check the chrome condition.
of course look for frame trauma up front.
but the overall looks promising.
the shot in seat stays are ok
Seatpost diameter will point a bit, this bike could have metric, French, it Columbus tubing
26.6 to 27.2 seatpost.
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I see an old midlevel bike that has been ridden hard and put back wet.
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It will definitely need a bit of love and I don't think I'll fully restore it (I mean, I won't repaint it), but I judged it nice enough to bring it home. Not high end, but a nice bike to ride. Very convenient ratio too for hills (39-26!). Chrome is almost perfect. Wheels are true. No sign of damage but wasn't cherished either by the PO.
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The mix of groupsets (two gens of 105 + Shimano 600) perhaps indicates that it was a generic frame built by the bike shop using what they had ready at hand.

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Originally Posted by jonny7 View Post
It will definitely need a bit of love and I don't think I'll fully restore it (I mean, I won't repaint it), but I judged it nice enough to bring it home. Not high end, but a nice bike to ride. Very convenient ratio too for hills (39-26!). Chrome is almost perfect. Wheels are true. No sign of damage but wasn't cherished either by the PO.
How much?
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Value depends on the market your in. That would sell for $300 in Nova Scotia 'dans un instant', assuming it's straight with no major work to be done. Brake tracks look well worn.
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How much?
150 quid including a nice pair of vintage look shoes!
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Value depends on the market your in. That would sell for $300 in Nova Scotia 'dans un instant', assuming it's straight with no major work to be done. Brake tracks look well worn.
You're not the first to say this but I think when looking for bikes this age you need to find steals not...bikes that need this amount of cleaning up required. There are dozens of nicer bikes in greater Boston for around 300$ compared to this thing
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Well I wasn't looking for something to flip quickly, but just wanted to give life back to a bike which is a bit exotic (have not seen a lot of Belleri stems in my life I must say) and which has a bit more character than the thousands peugeots I see around. I have no doubt it'll sell well in my area. Of course had I been looking for a grail bike, story would have been different.

And if I don't go ahead with the project and can resell it at the same price without problem + I will have satisfied my curiosity.

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You're not the first to say this but I think when looking for bikes this age you need to find steals not...bikes that need this amount of cleaning up required. There are dozens of nicer bikes in greater Boston for around 300$ compared to this thing
I'm not denying that's a great approach but our whole province has less than a million people in it while the Boston area has what, maybe 5 million? The number of quality vintage bikes that come up for sale here is minuscule compared to your market. Supply and demand dictates that the prices for the nice gems available here is very much inflated. Additionally, our economy here has been resource based and the culture has never embraced classic cycling to any great extent.
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That bike could very well be a slippery slope, and long slope at that. Not knocking the bike, but do realize that a few bucks for brake hoods, cables, possible corroded spoke nipples, bad brake pads, chain, bearings, tires…..you get it, and this is only beginning. If you decide you do like it by all means go for it, but only before making sure the seat post, quill stem and bottom bracket are not seized. If so walk!!!! No run away because these will be nightmarish problems and headaches.

Go-ahead and ask how I know.

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