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Old 11-10-21, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Schwinn Varsity with a Campy Valentino RD?

Yeah, I cut out the main triangle and and replaced it with my Columbus frame.
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Old 11-10-21, 05:11 PM
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Ritchey Ultra MTB -- 1986 vintage IIRC (perhaps 1987). Scrambles up hillsides like a billy goat. Great components. Even better frame+fork.



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Old 11-10-21, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sbrudno View Post
OK, after reviewing the photos here and some other spots on this site, there are quite a few rear brakes that have about a 30 degree slant backwards with the pads aligned to the rims. Since my knowledge, that that it is, only proceeds to about 1990, nothing more recent, what is the advantage of this configuration? Thanks for the education...
In case no-one's answered you-

If you're seeing what I think you're seeing- it's just the design of the caliper. Looks like it started around 1988 or so. Or possibly with recessed nuts, so a couple years earlier... It's not single vs. dual pivot- because my 6400 series single pivot brakes have it as well.

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If that's not what you're talking about, can you explain it a little better- maybe find some close up pix of what you're trying to describe.
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Originally Posted by DMC707 View Post
Always a feast for the eyes ! - still cant get enough of looking at this Strawberry !
Not sure if you saw the big blah, blah, if not this might help.

The old and the new, the ying and the yang, the good, bad and the ugly, you decide.
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
I’ve owned and ridden many C&V bikes, but the one that altered my paradigm was a Black Mountain Cycles Road, which came as a frameset and is built with a mix of functional parts:

Something about the fit, geometry, tire capacity (shown with 35mm Compass tires above), and weight all work wonderfully for me, and I’ve used it for bikepacking, credit card touring, and fast weekend rides. I like it so much that I bought another one on eBay and made it into my travel bike:

I also took the geometry specs and fed them into the build sheet at Waltly in China and had them build me a Ti version that takes 38mm tires with thru axles and disc brakes, shown here on the way to our Tour de C’Ville back in June:

I still ride other bikes in my fleet, particularly for commuting, but these three see the vast majority of the around 5K a year road miles that I’ve racked up since acquiring them.
Having observed your penchant for Black Mountain Cycles and myself keeping an eye on them for several years, I almost went this route for my brand-new bike (not C&V). Who knows, maybe I will still get one in the future. But I decided to go custom instead with the Hampsten. And as Tom Petty said, the waiting is the hardest part.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Not sure if you saw the big blah, blah, if not this might help.

The old and the new, the ying and the yang, the good, bad and the ugly, you decide.

Great thread chronicling your build --- the wishbone seatstay arrangement is a work of art -- and sub 25 lbs for a bike that size is nice too !
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It's a tough choice between this and my Mondonico, but I have my best times on this SLX Tommaso.
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Old 11-10-21, 06:38 PM
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Eddy Merckx Team SC. Regarded by many to be the best road racing bike EVER. May not be steel or vintage but it IS a classic. The last generation of EM bikes made in Belgium. (This pic isn't my bike, but it looks much the same).
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1968 Paramount. Was lent this frame while waiting for what turned out to be a year and a half for a Raleigh to be replaced under warranty.
The Paramount came to me in gray and red. The red was the original color. The gray was the rustoleum that had been applied to cover the various scrapes and scratches that the Paramount had picked up in the first 8 years of its life before it came to me.
It was the best bike because I never noticed it. It went exactly where I pointed it, it cornered predictably, and it rode straighter hands off than anything else I’ve been on. Plus it had fender eyelets, decent clearance so any tubular, including del Mundos fit without complaint, and it was of course 27.2 and BSA so parts were never a problem. Every other frame since then has had one or two little quirks that made me question the builder’s judgement. Not that Paramount.
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Originally Posted by DMC707 View Post
Great thread chronicling your build --- the wishbone seatstay arrangement is a work of art -- and sub 25 lbs for a bike that size is nice too !
Yep, tx again.

The crowns were the centerpiece of the frame, took plenty of Dave's superpower to get them dialed in for this even though Andy had them working well for a long time. They were designed for a 650b build that Andy was doing for awhile and I had to have them but not the 650b's. It turned out better than I hoped despite being a bit of a cluster.
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Thanks for the explanation. OK, a second question. I have a pair of Campy brakes that are too short for the frame I have (obviously not matched in either vintage or style). I purchased a set of offset bolts but I cannot for the life of me understand how I am to convert the brakes to the offsets. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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My 1986 ALAN Record Carbonio. The best handling bike I ever rode so far. This is a bike tha I pretty much just have to only think to steer it..... In combination with the plushness of the ride the CF frame provides and the tubular wheelset I have on it it just flies like no other bike I ever rode!
Frankly, I was quite eurprised. I was thinking that at least one of my steel bikes would have been better,.... but no.....

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Old 11-10-21, 07:59 PM
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I've done a LOT of thinking about this.

My 1985 Trek 620 is the bike I've put the most miles on over the years. I think I more often grab the 720- and that's a most excellent bike- but the 620 is the bike that I stay out longer on.

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Originally Posted by sbrudno View Post
Thanks for the explanation. OK, a second question. I have a pair of Campy brakes that are too short for the frame I have (obviously not matched in either vintage or style). I purchased a set of offset bolts but I cannot for the life of me understand how I am to convert the brakes to the offsets. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I would start a thread on it's own- post pictures.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
I've done a LOT of thinking about this.

My 1985 Trek 620 is the bike I've put the most miles on over the years. I think I more often grab the 720- and that's a most excellent bike- but the 620 is the bike that I stay out longer on.

1985 Trek 620 by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr

1985 Trek 620 by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr
Always such a treat to see your bikes— we have similar taste.
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Old 11-10-21, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Not sure if this is a re-thread or something, but a conversation came up with someone about the Faggin (they said theirs was "the best overall bike they ever rode bar none"), and I thought it might be an interesting question to ask. A friend of mine from the past said the best overall bike they ever rode was an AD Ultima...that it did it all very well. They also had a Colnago, a Peugeot and a Miyata among other high end stuff.

The parameters are simple. Only one choice. Which of the bikes you have ridden did it all, and well...climbing, descending, comfortable over a long day in the saddle, responsive in corners, stiffness in and out of the saddle, maybe even able to throw on a jury-rigged bag, etc...

At this point, mine is my beloved Bella Basso (1987 Gap), but I wonder if the Faggin truly is magic?
I haven’t been on as many bikes as others here but I do have a few bikes that would be among the top tier of their respective eras.





As a measure for comparison, the three bikes above are exceptional and lack nothing. The Masi is the fastest of the three, the De Rosa might be the most fun, and the Serotta would be the most elegant ride (if that makes sense). I’ll never part with these very special bikes. That being said, however, I’d agree with your friend regarding the AD Ultima…….to an extent.

I got to try out an Ultima in the early ‘80s and it seemed perfect until I rode the beautiful AD Vent Noir that was next to it in the shop. It was perfect for me but I didn’t have the good sense (or bank balance) to buy the Vent Noir then not realizing how rarely perfection is found. At long last, I was able to get the one below this past summer equipped with impressive 1st generation Dura Ace. I adapted it a bit for Cino and have posted photos all over the place praising it. If I were to do a blindfold test ride of these four bikes (without hitting a telephone pole or semi-truck because I was stupidly wearing a blindfold) I’d have to go with the modest Vent Noir as the “best overall bike” I’ve ever ridden. It may have not a pedigree as prestigious as the other three but this is truly the best every-day, all-day, and all-road bike for me.


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Old 11-10-21, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by panzerwagon View Post
Always such a treat to see your bikes— we have similar taste.
Thank you!!!
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A Somec that I found at a thrift store for 100 dollars. I had no clue what I was riding at the time either. “Just some old bike”.I stuttered trying to say what the group set was which was, of course, “Campagnolo”. I hate every part of me knowing that I let go of this one without knowing what I actually had.

However, ignorance was bliss. I never felt so comfortable and fast on this bike.


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Of course, it's my René Hubris gugie-fied Trek 61x, 1982. Fast, supple, lightweight, and basically a copy of a '50s René Herse.



The problem is, I keep breaking it! First the fork, so I made a new fork. Now it's the head tube.
Maybe time to put the 650bs on the Ron Cooper and see if it's just the wheels/tires/fenders that make things special?
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Of course, it's my René Hubris gugie-fied Trek 61x, 1982. Fast, supple, lightweight, and basically a copy of a '50s René Herse.



The problem is, I keep breaking it! First the fork, so I made a new fork. Now it's the head tube.
Maybe time to put the 650bs on the Ron Cooper and see if it's just the wheels/tires/fenders that make things special?
time for a replicant frame.
maybe you should apply for a position doing destructive testing to failure while you wait for a replacement frame.
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time for a replicant frame.
maybe you should apply for a position doing destructive testing to failure while you wait for a replacement frame.
I will make one myself when the time comes. It's heartening to know that the Trek never broke anywhere I did any brazing or modification. Just pretty much everywhere I did not.

Maybe to get my toes wet, I will do a replacement head tube. I will learn something, this way, at least. Sorta ease into framebuilding by doing a couple joints, you know?

Sure, I am not keen on throwing good money after bad, but I don't know. Lots of nice things on this Trek. The Trek is an experiment, a prototype, and a training exercise for me to learn framebuilding on my terms. I am not keen on doing the stuff over (especially the handmade brazed-on front derailleur), given the rest of what I have on my plate.

Head tube won't be that big a deal. I don't think I need a jig, I'll just pin it and check the angles with the digital protractor and go to town.

And yes, the only frame I haven't ridden to failure would be my Ron Cooper. And my tandems, I guess. But do they really count? Does any bike count if you braze it back together?
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My first impression the day I finished building it was that it even coasts faster than my other bikes. I know that sounds silly, but that's the way it feels. One of my friends suggested that maybe I finally got a rear wheel in straight. I say it planes.
That's funny, I've experienced that myself in group rides (can't tell riding by myself) since I finished building up the PX10, with the wheels I built myself.

I've asked club riders which were in front of me, why were they feathering their brakes while coasting (it didn't make sense to slow down in the areas we were riding in and was annoying), but everytime I asked they stated no braking while coasting. A few times where I simply let it pass 2-3 riders in front of me while everyone was coasting.
I've also had riders behind me ask why I keep using the rear brake while coasting (rear caliper creaked while riding in the rain, needed some grease on the spring) my response was 'well not because I feel we're coasting too fast, just so I don't clip the rider in front of me, why do you think?' Never experienced it before on any other bike though, felt like cheating, lol.
It's kinda crazy and funny at the same time (or other riders may be behind on maintenance, who knows, but wouldn't guess that with the fresh carbon most are riding), so current Peugeot PX10 Puymorens is my fave ridden and owned.
Indeed, it planes on 32mm tubeless Gravelkings

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Very Nice! If I may ask, with what did you wrap the DS chain stay? The combination of the offsetting colors is striking with the rest of the bike. Much better than the "dead" inner tubes I use on some of my bikes. I'm in the process of collecting parts and pieces to spruce up a Fuji TS-IV I recently obtained and a chain stay wrap like yours would work well.

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My '89 Koga-Miyata FullPro that I sold like an idiot. The handling was pure race, you almost can't ride it slow. My '86 Trek 560 does feel similar.

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My contribution. I'll confess that I have been acting like a kid with this thread and admiring the pictures first without reading all the comments. However, I believe some of the comments that I've scanned have referenced that their one bike "disappears beneath them". For me, it's my 1983 Trek 700 that has that "Je Ne Sais Quoi" ride. With its sports tourer geometry, Reynolds 531C tubing and friction Suntour Superbe and Pro drive train, I can get in a groove and forget the bike is under me.

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