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Old 11-24-21, 02:49 PM
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Please help with lugged mtb!

Does anyone know who made these?
Looks italian...
Found on local marketplace for a very low price, was interested with what appeared to be a columbus sticker on the seattube... Its Gara Or tubes so not much...
Cant find on google anything, I guess the manufacterer sticker was removed, and i cant identify the logo.
It seems to have the suntour xcm 3040 group, everything RD, FD, shifters, brake levers, canti brakes (ugliest chunky pieces of plastic ever...)
Saddle is Selle San Marco, hubs sakae...
And the most interesting piece is the stem and handlebar,
quill is 22.2mm but handlebar clamp diameter is 28.6mm!!! It looked fat when i saw it...
I have NEVER seen or heard of that diameter handlebar on a bicycle, that is the modern fatbar size on motorcycles, I even have a rizoma superbike handlebar that i will try to fit on this stem in the future...
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Old 11-24-21, 04:35 PM
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Can't help but it's cool. I'm confused by what appears to be a generator mount on the seat stay but otherwise, very nice.
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Old 11-24-21, 06:12 PM
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Maybe @T-Mar will know.
Agree itís a cool frame. There just arenít that many lugged mtbís, and it looks well-constructed.
OP, are you in Europe?
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Old 11-24-21, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Can't help but it's cool. I'm confused by what appears to be a generator mount on the seat stay but otherwise, very nice.
Yeah i think its cool too, that mount is common on touring bikes.


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Maybe @T-Mar will know.
Agree itís a cool frame. There just arenít that many lugged mtbís, and it looks well-constructed.
OP, are you in Europe?
I hope he will know something.
Im in europe, croatia, on the coast of adriatic.
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Old 11-25-21, 08:02 AM
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Wow, really nice looking bike, wish I could help. Enjoy!
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Old 11-25-21, 10:22 AM
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I can't help with the brand but those XCM derailleurs, if OEM, would place it 1988-1989. Like Clubman, the generator tab seem curious on an ATB. I'm wondering if this was originally marketed as a city bicycle with street tyres? Also, Gara seems a bit upscale for the components. The serial number may provide a clue to the origin.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
I can't help with the brand but those XCM derailleurs, if OEM, would place it 1988-1989. Like Clubman, the generator tab seem curious on an ATB. I'm wondering if this was originally marketed as a city bicycle with street tyres? Also, Gara seems a bit upscale for the components. The serial number may provide a clue to the origin.
Thank you for the info, ​​​​​​I will look for the serial number when the cleaning starts.

This has me stumped:
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I recall seeing ads in magazines in the late 80s/early 90s for a company making 'oversized' handlebar/stem interfaces. I can't recall the name of the company but I think it was a well known one - Tioga? I don't know if that's what you've got there.
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Old 11-25-21, 01:24 PM
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I’m thinking the Gara sticker doesn’t belong.

Unless someone did build a Gara OR framed ATB with rack mounts and Gen tab and XCM gear….. but I think the Gara sticker doesn’t go
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Originally Posted by ClydeClydeson View Post
I recall seeing ads in magazines in the late 80s/early 90s for a company making 'oversized' handlebar/stem interfaces. I can't recall the name of the company but I think it was a well known one - Tioga? I don't know if that's what you've got there.
Will look if there is something written on the bar when grips are removed, also on the quill of the stem 👍


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Iím thinking the Gara sticker doesnít belong.

Unless someone did build a Gara OR framed ATB with rack mounts and Gen tab and XCM gearÖ.. but I think the Gara sticker doesnít go
Wasnt Gara Or the lowliest straight gauge tubeset from Columbus?
I hope its not just a sticker 😅
This frame has many contradictions... Generator and rack tabs made like on a bso, but it also has forged vertical dropouts that seem really nice...

Well... whatever it is the build will start soon, ill post it when its done in the Vintage MTB to upright bar thread

Thank you all for chimming in 😄

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I think you need to start looking for bike brands in the region that start or started with a C. Rock Climber is like the model name and a play on Specialized names like Rock Hopper and Stumpjumper.
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The geometry doesn't mesh well with the '89 components, looks like a longer wheelbase?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I think you need to start looking for bike brands in the region that start or started with a C. Rock Climber is like the model name and a play on Specialized names like Rock Hopper and Stumpjumper.
Thanks for the suggestion, ill look into it.

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The geometry doesn't mesh well with the '89 components, looks like a longer wheelbase?
It doesnt look right...

Here is a picture of the bb shell with the serial number:

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I can't make out the first two characters...how do you see it?
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i can't make out the first two characters...how do you see it?
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The geometry doesn't mesh well with the '89 components, looks like a longer wheelbase?
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It doesnt look right...

Here is a picture of the bb shell with the serial number:

I think what heís saying is by the time this component group was in use in Ď89ish, most mountain bikes had a shorter wheelbase meaning there wouldnít be as much room between the seattube and the rear tire.

That kickstand plate again makes me think the Gara sticker is an add on
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I am going to be the contrarian and say that I think the Gara sticker is right, and that this is a very little known company outside of eastern Europe. Or Germany/Swiss product.

Odd little rack mount braze-ons lead me to believe it is a quirky little Euro-maker. With the cantilever brazeons, I am going to guess it is a quasi-camp-touring from somewhere unusual...and more than likely I am completely wrong. Still 22.2 quill

What is the threading on the bottom bracket and the seatpost size? That might help.
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