Are French bikes junk?
12-06-21, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by robertj298
I've never ridden one but I can't think of any other mechanical device from
France that is any good.
France that is any good.
Take one for a spin. Let us know.
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12-06-21, 08:05 PM
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Watch The Goddess of 1967. The Citroën DS definitely came with a drooling towel.
Laboulaye & Bartholdi did a great job on the Stature of Liberty.
We won't talk about the Suez Canal.
Laboulaye & Bartholdi did a great job on the Stature of Liberty.
We won't talk about the Suez Canal.
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Originally Posted by thook
french bikes. i think it's japanese bikes that are junk. ginsu comes to mind
"is that a real japanese knife? or is that a sears taiwapanese knife?
"is that a real japanese knife? or is that a sears taiwapanese knife?
I don't think of France when I think of quality cars lol
12-06-21, 08:26 PM
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Ride a French Motobecane for awhile. They are well thought out, well made bikes with beautiful paint jobs. Bikes that were very well made well in France. Ride one and you could find yourself becoming a Francophile!
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12-06-21, 08:28 PM
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Mods, can this thread be moved to the troll subforum?
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12-06-21, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by robertj298
The Japanese are spectacular at engineering and mechanics as seen in their automobiles
I don't think of France when I think of quality cars lol
I don't think of France when I think of quality cars lol
most of the cars i've owned were/are japanese and are largely my favorite. they've all had their few shortcomings, though.i can't speak for all french cars, but from what i've read and what i've owned, they really are like any other maker in their strengths and weaknesse. for example, i still have an '89 peugeot 505. fantastic car in most areas; zippy, strong motor, auto tranny was "okay", most of the drivetrain was solid, very comfortable interior with reliable switches and buttons. the weaknesses were in some of the suspension, terrible sunroof prone to leaking, accessories motors (ie. cabin blower), and the wiring and connectors in some respects was designed like "okaaay....not sure how to best do this. let's try this. yeah...weird. screw it". now if they'd had the japanese design the electrical systems, i'd probably still be driving the car.
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12-06-21, 08:34 PM
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The French technical universities are some of the best on the world, their nuclear industrie is second to none. I've interacted with plenty of French trained engineers over the years, they are all highly trained and competent. Look at Renault's F1 program over the decades, it is top notch. The engineering quality tend to ride waves, cycles if you prefer, the Japanese have some serious problems that need sorting out right now too.
This sub forum has many Francophile C&V members, and most of us have owned several French rides over the years. The foundations of bicycling and ricing, as well as touring is documented in France, beyond just the TdF.
Stick around and read up in the multitude of threads within the place, its educational and entertaining.
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This sub forum has many Francophile C&V members, and most of us have owned several French rides over the years. The foundations of bicycling and ricing, as well as touring is documented in France, beyond just the TdF.
Stick around and read up in the multitude of threads within the place, its educational and entertaining.
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12-06-21, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Mods, can this thread be moved to the troll subforum?
But TTIWWP.
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This one is working really well for me. In fact it's my current favorite ride.
Motobecane Grand Record by John Jones, on Flickr
Motobecane Grand Record by John Jones, on Flickr
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12-06-21, 09:26 PM
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Somewhat entertaining...
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Are bikes junk?
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12-06-21, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
Are bikes junk?
12-06-21, 09:49 PM
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Airbus- commercial airplanes ; #1 or 2 depending on year
Daussault- military jets (just signed a $19 billion sale today) https://theaviationist.com/2021/12/06/uae-rafale-deal/
Alstom - first high speed train - tgv- world speed records : 240mph in 1981 - 320mph in 1990
Arianespace-world's first commercial satellite launch service
Citroen - first company to mass produce to 1 micron tolerance for their high pressure pump.
Aerospatiale- Concorde jet-first and only supersonic commercial jet- fleet retired not long after crash in 2000 due to part that fell off a McDonnell-Douglas onto runway.
Framatom/areva- Nuclear power- second largest program in the world after US with good safety record - (no Fukushima /Chernobyl)
Daussault- military jets (just signed a $19 billion sale today) https://theaviationist.com/2021/12/06/uae-rafale-deal/
Alstom - first high speed train - tgv- world speed records : 240mph in 1981 - 320mph in 1990
Arianespace-world's first commercial satellite launch service
Citroen - first company to mass produce to 1 micron tolerance for their high pressure pump.
Aerospatiale- Concorde jet-first and only supersonic commercial jet- fleet retired not long after crash in 2000 due to part that fell off a McDonnell-Douglas onto runway.
Framatom/areva- Nuclear power- second largest program in the world after US with good safety record - (no Fukushima /Chernobyl)
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12-06-21, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by robertj298
I've never ridden one but I can't think of any other mechanical device from
France that is any good.
France that is any good.
Have you ever heard of "Solid Works" or "CATIA" cad/cam software? They're part of Dassault Systems - spun off from the French aerospace giant Dassault Aviation.
They have 20,000 employees across 140 countries.
"The Boeing Company has selected the CATIA and ENOVIA software products from Dassault Systemes and IBM as the core of the first set of engineering computing standards that spans all Boeing business units and all sites. They will be used on all future product development programs throughout Boeing and on current programs where their use makes business sense.CATIA - Computer-Aided Three-Dimensional Interactive Application - is the new company standard for mechanical design. ENOVIA will be used for virtual product and process management. Both products are developed by Dassault Systemes and marketed worldwide by IBM."
Other aerospace companies like Airbus and Northrup Grumman depend on that software too. As of June, 2021 French based Airbus had 62% of orders for new commercial aircraft to Boeing's 39%...
Now to bikes.... Are Italian bikes any good? Japanese? English? What kind of bikes do your like?
I have a bunch of French bikes: N=40?
Why French? Because you can get a lot of bang for the buck, they ride very well plus most of them are cheap to buy. I can sell them for a reasonable price so that someone else can get an affordable classic bike to ride!
I have French bikes, Italian bikes, British bikes, Japanese, Swiss, Swedish, Dutch, Belgian and US made bikes too.
I judge a bike by how it rides and handles not the place of manufacture. I have some eye candy bikes that I don't ride because they're too pretty to get dirty and scratched.
I have all Campy French bikes, all French French bikes and all Shimano French bikes too. My two Goldilocks bikes that have the ride and handling that I'd been looking for since 1975 are both French!
Both are mid range production model frames that I cobbled together with a mishmash of components that work well.
My 1984 Gitane Super Corsa with a Super Vitus 983 frame...
1988 Peugeot Biarritz with a Super Vitus 980 frame and mixed late 80's Shimano components.
A measure of a great bike for me is that after about 5 miles, the bike disappears.
It's like I'm riding on air and I no long sense the bike under me. I can totally enjoy the ride experience.
"Is it wrong... or just French? I've earned the right to say that....
I'm out of food so I'll sign off....
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12-07-21, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by clubman
The Citroën DS definitely came with a drooling towel.
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12-07-21, 06:18 AM
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The French build some of the world’s best nuclear reactors and jet aircraft, I’m sure they could make a decent bike or two.
12-07-21, 07:38 AM
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To the OP, I suggest you keep an eye out and pick up a nice French bike one day. Take it for a spin. See what you think. Experience trumps speculation.
Anybody can make junk. I have had a good number of bicycles from France, and most were nice. My Motobecane Grand Sprint is a mid-range bike that rides way better than you'd think. It is nicely built, too. I'll never sell it.
Anybody can make junk. I have had a good number of bicycles from France, and most were nice. My Motobecane Grand Sprint is a mid-range bike that rides way better than you'd think. It is nicely built, too. I'll never sell it.
12-07-21, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sincos
Normally I ignore such narrow-minded statements ... but somebody mentioned French cars French cars.
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12-07-21, 12:01 PM
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No, but Chinese sailboats are. 
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12-07-21, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sincos
Normally I ignore such narrow-minded statements ... but somebody mentioned French cars French cars.
Also, there is
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Wow I've gotten to see some nice French bikes here. I may have to try and pick one up. My mother was from Belgium
did they make any nice bikes?
did they make any nice bikes?
12-07-21, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by robertj298
mother was from Belgium
did they make any nice bikes?
did they make any nice bikes?
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