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Weird binder bolt looks like it uses a star shaped tool.

Old 12-31-21, 04:49 PM
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I have my set because of a VW also. 1.8t Jetta wagon. The the last VW I owned. The last one I'll ever own. I so learned to hate the brand because of that car... i"m still not over it.
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Old 12-31-21, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
Has anyone ever seen an SAE triple square? I though they were a strictly metric, mostly VW thing, which is why I bought a set. I had to teach the sales guy at Autozone about them.
Yep, as said above, Merz used them on water bottle stud bosses so there was no water intrusion.

These are 3/16ths.

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Yeah, Iím in the crew that says replace with something newer and shinier.

My guess would be that previous owners have attempted using Allen bolts or vice grips to loosen. I have never seen a three square tool.

IF you can remove it without issue soak in evaporust and itíll show the damage.
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Old 12-31-21, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Yeah, Iím in the crew that says replace with something newer and shinier.

My guess would be that previous owners have attempted using Allen bolts or vice grips to loosen. I have never seen a three square tool.

IF you can remove it without issue soak in evaporust and itíll show the damage.
The one shown above is a perfect fit for a 3/16ths SAE Allen and a T30 Torx, both can get it as tight as you want or need to.

You of course could be right and the one in question may be mangled, I would bet it will come apart with the right bit regardless.
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A screw/bolt extractor bit, as mentioned previously, could bite in and bring that cap head out. Reversed cutting bits dig in and give you enough purchase to break the threads loose. Spray the contact area with a true penetrating fluid, and let it soak for a bit first.

Since itís buggered already you could cut in a straight slot with a mini-tool. Then a large straight slot screw driver, and vice grips for leverage, if you donít have a Dremel or Roto-zip type tool.

Gíluk on the complete restoration.👍

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If you have a mechanic friend with any german car they will likely have a set, I have found them on Audis & Porsche.
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Old 01-01-22, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by easyupbug View Post
If you have a mechanic friend with any german car they will likely have a set, I have found them on Audis & Porsche.
This one is reportedly SAE (surprising to me), instead of metric. However, a 5mm triple square can be forced into a slightly worn 3/16" hole, so it may work in this application.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I donít think I ever realized these were actually different from Torx bits. However I think my only experience with them was the axle on Ď83ish Golf and I just hunted down the Snapon guy and bought what the Chilton told me to get
Torx are 6-point rather than 12. That's why some torx sizes fit the internal 12-point fasteners.

Pop quiz -- what American car would have fasteners that use these sockets? Hint is above.



Okay, time's up. The first Dodge Omnis and Plymouth Horizons had VW 1.7L Rabbit engines, and the manual cars even had VW trannies. IIRC (it's been over 30 years....), the cylinder head bolts and the bolts that hold the half-shafts to the trans outputs both used these tools. I think I still have a set of those sockets in a tool box somewhere.
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Originally Posted by madpogue View Post
Torx are 6-point rather than 12. That's why some torx sizes fit the internal 12-point fasteners.

Pop quiz -- what American car would have fasteners that use these sockets? Hint is above.



Okay, time's up. The first Dodge Omnis and Plymouth Horizons had VW 1.7L Rabbit engines, and the manual cars even had VW trannies. IIRC (it's been over 30 years....), the cylinder head bolts and the bolts that hold the half-shafts to the trans outputs both used these tools. I think I still have a set of those sockets in a tool box somewhere.
So they were metric, right?

My bottle cage bosses are SAE thread and tool size.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
So they were metric, right?
Correct. I wanna say 8mm.
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^^^^^^^^ the diagram above is interesting though the rest looks like hieroglyphs to me. But I will add a fastener I recently dealt with. I had an LED flood light that failed so I decided to "either fix it or destroy it". When I flipped it over the screws had a 3 point socket head. "Oh, yeah? I was not born yesterday." I applied a nail to the grinder and made a 3 point tool and opened that fixture.

BTW, I cut out the motion detector module and direct wired the power to the lamp units. Works great on a wall switch.

edit: looks like the posting that was here around 7:45am yesterday and thus "the diagram above" was deleted. So my posting now makes no sense. S'OK. I often make no sense.

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I think these may be SAE double hex, Allen not standard 12 point or triple square.

As stated above, 3/16ths fits the bottle boss fastener above very well.

A search for double hex vs triple square brings up some good info.

Wiki shows that triple square are not metric tool sizes despite their "M" designation but do seem to be mostly if not all metric thread.

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