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Old 12-30-21, 08:01 PM
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Weird binder bolt looks like it uses a star shaped tool.

How would I get this off?
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That kind-of looks like the inside of a twelve-point socket. I'd carefully try a standard hex key/Allen wrench.
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may be simply an allen bolt which has been buggered by someone without the right size key

you could either grab and turn the head or go at it with a screw extractor - may need to grind the tip of the tool down a bit


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Originally Posted by BFisher
That kind-of looks like the inside of a twelve-point socket. I'd carefully try a standard hex key/Allen wrench.
Also called triple square.
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Seems the addition of the rack demanded a longer bolt and that's what was handy. Likely takes standard keyed bolt?
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Originally Posted by clubman
Seems the addition of the rack demanded a longer bolt and that's what was handy. Likely takes standard keyed bolt?
There is no rack. The thing that's attached to the binder bolt is the cable stop.
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Originally Posted by BFisher
That kind-of looks like the inside of a twelve-point socket. I'd carefully try a standard hex key/Allen wrench.
I already did try that but it was a weird size. Next time I will try a U.S. standard hex wrench instead of a metric, as no metric one would fit correctly.
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You could always try Vise Grips. Or an axe.
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Still, hangers came keyed on many bikes. I'd put a vice grip on it and replace accordingly.

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How would I get this off?
What is on the other side of the ears, a nut?

How is the bolt unremovable? Is it spinning, or frozen and fixed?

May we see a picture of the entire bicycle please?
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You got the correct answer in post 4. It does not take a standard allen wrench. It's a good excuse to spend $20 on more tools.
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Originally Posted by machinist42
What is on the other side of the ears, a nut?

How is the bolt unremovable? Is it spinning, or frozen and fixed?

May we see a picture of the entire bicycle please?
The other side has the same exact head.

Here is a picture of the bike.
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Originally Posted by grant40
The other side has the same exact head.

Here is a picture of the bike.
Regular Torx can sometimes grip these, the ones with short splines where the taper engages the head. The triple square is best.
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That bolt looks like it had a long and happy intense relationship with the frame. I have never heard of or seen somethig else than a standard allenhead or hex bolt being used at that point, certainly not on a bike that old. Anyway, from the looks of it its a goner anyway, just drill it out...
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Originally Posted by martl
That bolt looks like it had a long and happy intense relationship with the frame. I have never heard of or seen somethig else than a standard allenhead or hex bolt being used at that point, certainly not on a bike that old. Anyway, from the looks of it its a goner anyway, just drill it out...
This type of hardware was originally black oxide finish and very likely grade 8 or the like.

Merz used some of it and they are not hard to deal with, no need for excessive force that could damage the frame.
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Originally Posted by thumpism
Vise Grips.
Needlenose ones, especially if you have made sure the moving jaw is snug in the slot, a little squeeze in a bench vice if they are loose. One of those tools that sometimes are the only thing that'll do.
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Add a few drops of penetrating oil to the threads the night before attempting the removal. Can't hurt.
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Originally Posted by thumpism
Also called triple square.
I don’t think I ever realized these were actually different from Torx bits. However I think my only experience with them was the axle on ‘83ish Golf and I just hunted down the Snapon guy and bought what the Chilton told me to get
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I don’t think I ever realized these were actually different from Torx bits. However I think my only experience with them was the axle on ‘83ish Golf and I just hunted down the Snapon guy and bought what the Chilton told me to get
I think I have one which I needed to replace a boot on an '83 Scirocco.
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...someone really went to town with that respray - doing up the Rampinelli frame pump to exactly match the scheme of the frame - looks like they had lots of good fun with their Cesare...


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Originally Posted by thumpism
Also called triple square.
looks very much to me like a Shimano Dura-Ace seat binder bolt, uncommon in “black”
The chrome one was OEM on the Teledyne Titan
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Those particular binder nuts turn up on old bikes from time to time, and use a 1/4" Allen key btw.

Not sure who made them.

Threading should be 1/4-20 iir.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
Add a few drops of penetrating oil to the threads the night before attempting the removal. Can't hurt.
I did that 1st.
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Has anyone ever seen an SAE triple square? I though they were a strictly metric, mostly VW thing, which is why I bought a set. I had to teach the sales guy at Autozone about them.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I don’t think I ever realized these were actually different from Torx bits. However I think my only experience with them was the axle on ‘83ish Golf and I just hunted down the Snapon guy and bought what the Chilton told me to get
I was going to say, VW Rabbit Caddy drive shaft.

Harbor Freight has a 100 piece "security bit set" that should have them.

https://www.harborfreight.com/securi...-pc-68457.html
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