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Old 12-30-21, 11:39 PM
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Hello / picked up first C/V bike

Hello everyone. First time posting in these forums after considering getting a classic / vintage bike for a very long time.

When in school in the '80s, I always planned on getting a good road bike after graduation, but by that point mountainbikes had become really big, so the "good" bike ended up having 26" wheels and suspension fork etc. Other bikes followed, including good modern carbon fiber machines, but I guess I never lost appreciation for that early image of what a "road" bike is ... steel frames, silver components, DT shifters, gum walls etc.

So the other week that finally happened. Found a mid-80s Celo Europa on Craigslist, drove over the "hill" from OC to Temecula (wine country!) and picked it up.

What a kick it has been doing a first ride, then digging into it with some work to improve it and also just checking out the quirks and details of a bike of the era ...
* I didn't realize the out-of-roundness of BioPace 'rings would be so noticeable visually, yet this wasn't felt in pedaling them.
* Also didn't realize that frames were both lugged and double-butted; always thought it was one or the other. And how nice seeing the details in these frames like lightening holes in the drop-outs and fork crown lugs, and the "Celo" name in raised letters on the stays.
* Then there's the extra coordination required to reach down to shift. Especially when accelerating, this will take some getting used to. : )

... but definitely looking forward to being a part of this community as well as riding this "new" machine and continuing improving it with repairs, maintenance, mods.


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Welcome, looking forward to some pics of it!
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Originally Posted by 2wheels2 View Post
Hello everyone. First time posting in these forums after considering getting a classic / vintage bike for a very long time.

When in school in the '80s, I always planned on getting a good road bike after graduation, but by that point mountainbikes had become really big, so the "good" bike ended up having 26" wheels and suspension fork etc. Other bikes followed, including good modern carbon fiber machines, but I guess I never lost appreciation for that early image of what a "road" bike is ... steel frames, silver components, DT shifters, gum walls etc.

So the other week that finally happened. Found a mid-80s Celo Europa on Craigslist, drove over the "hill" from OC to Temecula (wine country!) and picked it up.

What a kick it has been doing a first ride, then digging into it with some work to improve it and also just checking out the quirks and details of a bike of the era ...
* I didn't realize the out-of-roundness of BioPace 'rings would be so noticeable visually, yet this wasn't felt in pedaling them.
* Also didn't realize that frames were both lugged and double-butted; always thought it was one or the other. And how nice seeing the details in these frames like lightening holes in the drop-outs and fork crown lugs, and the "Celo" name in raised letters on the stays.
* Then there's the extra coordination required to reach down to shift. Especially when accelerating, this will take some getting used to. : )

... but definitely looking forward to being a part of this community as well as riding this "new" machine and continuing improving it with repairs, maintenance, mods.


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Welcome, looking forward to some pics of it!



OP's Album.
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Old 12-31-21, 03:28 AM
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Welcome, it looks to be in very nice shape and ready for the miles ahead. Pedal on…
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Welcome aboard, enjoy the miles and smiles the Celo will be giving you.

A warning though, it’s addictive and resistance is futile. n+1 is more contagious than Covid-omicron😉

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Originally Posted by machinist42 View Post
non drive side pic?

First rule of C&V……EVERYONE talks about C&V.

Second rule……… Drive side (chain side) pics a must.

In all seriousness welcome to the forums and a great hobby. Glad you got a nice machine and had a great first experience.
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Nice bike, looks well cared for!

Regarding BioPace chainrings, the big ring will always be fairly round, with only 4% variation of radius.

The smaller ring(s) will either be the (earlier) 8% radius variation or the later 4% variation.

I certify that the (rounder) 4% rings are easily adaptable even to the wild range of cadence used in cyclocross racing. They will be stamped (or labeled) as "BioPace HP", "BioPace II" or "BioPace SG".

BioPace rings do not allow use of the same minimum # of teeth as round rings for any given size of bolt-circle-diameter, so 42t would be the smallest 8% ring that will fit on your crankset while a 40t small ring would indicate that it is (fortunately imo) one of the rounder 4% BioPace rings.

BioPace rings were further offered in both steel and aluminum versions.
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As a native southern Californian, I am embarrassed to admit that I was completely unfamiliar with the Celo Europa marque. Made for a Laguna Beach bike shop by Colnago -- can't scoff at a pedigree like that!
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Originally Posted by machinist42 View Post
Cool. Will be interesting to see if there are any Colnago details on the frame - clubs motif, stamped dropouts, etc.

I would have expected a Colnago built frame to have only two cable guides on the top tube, but I guess they were capable of doing three.
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Definitely would love to see the pedigree. Did not know Colnago did contract builds— did they make Colnago Sports or was that contracted out?


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Cool. Will be interesting to see if there are any Colnago details on the frame - clubs motif, stamped dropouts, etc.

I would have expected a Colnago built frame to have only two cable guides on the top tube, but I guess they were capable of doing three.
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Originally Posted by P!N20 View Post
Cool. Will be interesting to see if there are any Colnago details on the frame - clubs motif, stamped dropouts, etc.

I would have expected a Colnago built frame to have only two cable guides on the top tube, but I guess they were capable of doing three.
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Definitely would love to see the pedigree. Did not know Colnago did contract builds— did they make Colnago Sports or was that contracted out?
I think this was recently covered in a Celo Europa thread or somewhere recently
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Being a So Cal / OC resident, I know a little about the Celo Europa brand. There was a Celo Europa shop in Laguna Niguel / Laguna Hills on Moulton Parkway for many years. The bikes were made for the owner of the shop who had a relationship with Colnago. A google search may pull up their old website.

I have a friend that has one, and comparing it to a Colnago Super that I owned from the same era showed little difference.

Looks like a great bike, beautifully built and in great shape.

Welcome to the forum.
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Originally Posted by poprad View Post
Welcome, looking forward to some pics of it!
Thanks, Poprad. More activity, including pics are definitely in the plan.
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Thanks, Machinist42 for the assistance on the picture. Very cool to see it posted after I realized I'd bumped into the 10 post minimum.
I didn't see the album option before, but will use this now.
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
Welcome, it looks to be in very nice shape and ready for the miles ahead. Pedal on…
Thanks, Kabuki12.
Yes, from looking it over more closely, the good news is that it does not seem to have seen that many miles in the decades since new.

Funny how it is turning out though. Other commitments limit my time, so, while I liked the idea of a project, the intention was to get something that did not need much commitment now. It would satisfy the retro bug and maybe be something to keep at work for lunch hour rides. Later on, I could always make it more into the vision I had.

... then got to noticing how the rear brake cable was routed on the right side, and the levers were mounted higher than typical. No problem, I thought, it came with the original levers as "spares". I wanted to mount those eventually anyway.

.. then got the bar wrap off (I wanted white cork wrap "eventually" anyway), and saw the front brake cable had an MTB end fitting. Have to change that!

Stem was found to be stuck. Thank goodness for Oil of Wintergreen! It is free now, but a thread on the steer tube is partially flattened.

Later found that the grease in the headset and also the rear hub ... well, they just might be original. This is a bit more "period correct" than what I had in mind. More digging in.

So much of the work I was "eventually" going to do, looks like it will be done in the coming weeks. But I do like a project!
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame View Post
Welcome aboard, enjoy the miles and smiles the Celo will be giving you.

A warning though, it’s addictive and resistance is futile. n+1 is more contagious than Covid-omicron😉

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Thats the truth! Already in the back of my mind I've thought, hey, I will have some of the old-school tools and some extra parts from this one, so another would be so much easier to work on.
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Originally Posted by 2wheels2 View Post
Thanks, Kabuki12.
Yes, from looking it over more closely, the good news is that it does not seem to have seen that many miles in the decades since new.

Funny how it is turning out though. Other commitments limit my time, so, while I liked the idea of a project, the intention was to get something that did not need much commitment now. It would satisfy the retro bug and maybe be something to keep at work for lunch hour rides. Later on, I could always make it more into the vision I had.

... then got to noticing how the rear brake cable was routed on the right side, and the levers were mounted higher than typical. No problem, I thought, it came with the original levers as "spares". I wanted to mount those eventually anyway.

.. then got the bar wrap off (I wanted white cork wrap "eventually" anyway), and saw the front brake cable had an MTB end fitting. Have to change that!

Stem was found to be stuck. Thank goodness for Oil of Wintergreen! It is free now, but a thread on the steer tube is partially flattened.

Later found that the grease in the headset and also the rear hub ... well, they just might be original. This is a bit more "period correct" than what I had in mind. More digging in.

So much of the work I was "eventually" going to do, looks like it will be done in the coming weeks. But I do like a project!
the downside of an 80’s bike is 80’s grease still in service decades on. Any bike I buy is bought with the expectation that everything has to be serviced- to expose the potential issues and others you have found or yet to learn.
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I saw that bike on Craigslist. NIce score. There was also someone in like Venice selling a frameset a while back too, he was asking some ridiculous price for it, but it's not on there anymore, so what do I know?
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I have nothing to add but these two scans from my files.
Note that these photos are all taken from the drive side and in the big ring.





I don't think I've noticed the rainbow on the Celo decal before - wonder if that's legit.
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Cool thread, way to start off with a bang!
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Originally Posted by 2wheels2 View Post
Thats the truth! Already in the back of my mind I've thought, hey, I will have some of the old-school tools and some extra parts from this one, so another would be so much easier to work on.
And thus, the circle of C&V Cycling life begins once more.😏

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
non drive side pic?

First rule of C&V……EVERYONE talks about C&V.

Second rule……… Drive side (chain side) pics a must.

In all seriousness welcome to the forums and a great hobby. Glad you got a nice machine and had a great first experience.

Ha ha ha ... when looking at the pictures after returning, I too wondered why I shot the "wrong" side. It was a whirlwind day, and ultimately I think that orientation gave the better background when leaned against that hollowed out wine barrel planter. Idunno. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Agreed on a great hobby. Its a good time learning the evolution of these machines, and improving a machine that needed some help, and connecting with others with a similar bent, and of course the riding. Plus, there's still some good picks out there to be found for reasonable prices.
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As a native southern Californian, I am embarrassed to admit that I was completely unfamiliar with the Celo Europa marque. Made for a Laguna Beach bike shop by Colnago -- can't scoff at a pedigree like that!
I had no prior knowledge of them either. Before heading out to see it, I researched them some and found the link to Colnago, yet some of their bikes were made in Japan. Not sure when the transition was made or if they sold both simultaneously. My assumption was that this one was one of the Japanese framed models (later confirmed from a sticker on it). Not being made in Italy was not an issue for this one. The goal was for something with a lugged cro-mo frame and fork that I would feel entirely comfortable in taking out and using.
It was a bonus to find it was even double-butted in addition to being lugged. Plus a low purchase price. No regrets.

Reading up on them I also found old ads with a Manhattan Bch address, then later Anaheim. Your are correct, he is in Laguna today. I'm planning to ride out there to check it out at some point. Supposedly he has some good C/V hardware.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
I have nothing to add but these two scans from my files.
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I don't think I've noticed the rainbow on the Celo decal before - wonder if that's legit.
Thanks for these old ads, DiabloScott. I had seen your posts of these when considering this bike and reading up on the brand. The top one has become the guide for the direction I have for this one: more narrow gum walls, white bar tape. Have not decided yet on the stem. Originally it was black, but it is a bit scratched, so silver / polished like that ad could be good.
On the rainbow logo decal, mine has something similar on the top tube. It is apparently celebrating some win in 1984, but what race ... I haven't heard yet. Any guesses?
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Hate to do this but may be throwing some cold water: I think I see a Tange sticker on the lower seat tube (cannot enlarge the pic to confirm it) and if so then this is not one of the "Colnago" Celo Europa models, but one that Marcel got from a JP supplier.
Still, I doubt he sold any junk so most likely his JP frames were built by one of the good JP contractors and would ride like it.

"Oil of Wintergreen"?
Do tell: is that something that works as a penetrating oil? I only have seen it before in some authentic Finnish saunas...
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