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garryg 01-13-22 07:56 PM

Vintage Canadian
 
CCM is a cycle manufacturer well known to us Canucks. They have been around forever so when this popped up on Craigslist for $35 i had to have it. Serial number makes it out to be from 1939. Still working on figuring out what model.Wonder what the chances are that i can get that seatpost to move?
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markk900 01-13-22 08:30 PM

Nice score!

Not an expert but from looking at my 1938 catalog it looks like you have a CCM Crescent Roadster (mostly because of the CCM single piece crank); others with more knowledge will chime in I am sure.

You should check out the vintage CCM forum to get all the information you might want.....
Vintage CCM

Mark

garryg 01-13-22 08:35 PM

Thanks mark. i have joined that CCM site,real interesting. Could be the start of a new chapter in my bike journey.

T-Mar 01-14-22 07:27 AM

A 1939 serial code indicates a 1939 ot 1940 model. As noted by Mark, it is a "roadster" style frame. However, beyond that it gets tricky. The only men's roadster models in 1939 and 1940 with the single piece crankset were the Crecent Roadster and Rambler Roadster. Both were budget models and would not have come with chrome rims or a double brace front fender. The wheels also look they might be smaller than the 28" size found on these models. They look they may be 26" which would indicate a balloon tyre model. That would explain the double brace front fork and chrome rims, though it came with the three piece Triplex crankset. I guess we also shouldn't rule out a juvenile model, even though it does have an adult 50T chainwheel. Since sizes are hard to judge from photos, please post the tyre/wheel size and frame size. Both will help to narrow down the model.

gthomson 01-14-22 07:51 AM

Was the top tube supposed to be bent like that? I love the bike license on the back. All this talk these days in the non bike community that wish a license/fee would be applied to cyclists. I wonder if that was the same chatter back then?

What did CCM manufacture first, bikes or hockey equipment?

T-Mar 01-14-22 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by gthomson (Post 22373559)
Was the top tube supposed to be bent like that? I love the bike license on the back. All this talk these days in the non bike community that wish a license/fee would be applied to cyclists. I wonder if that was the same chatter back then?

What did CCM manufacture first, bikes or hockey equipment?

The bend in the top tube is intentional. Colloquially, it is called a "camel back" or "hump back" frame.

In the past, bicycle licensing was intended as more of a theft deterrant. In order to license your bicycle, you had to take it to the local licensing agent (in my region, the police) who recorded the particulars of the bicycle, specifically the serial number. Potential thieves who saw the license, knew the bicycle was registered. Of course, clever thieves would strip the bicycle, file off the serial number or ditch the frame.

CCM was formed the autumn of 1899 by the merger of five Canadian bicycle companies reacting to potential move of the American Bicycle Company conglomerate into Canada. CCM actually stands for Canada Cycle and Motor Co. Ltd. The prime product was bicycles but as the name indicates, they were also were in the nascent automobile industry. The first ice skates were introduced shortly after, for the winter of 1905-1906, utilizing scrap metal from automobile manufacture. These skates were called Automobile Skates, to cash in on the public's fascination with automobiles and as a homage to their origin.
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nlerner 01-14-22 09:36 AM

And I thought @clubman was the vintage Canadian.

garryg 01-14-22 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 22373533)
A 1939 serial code indicates a 1939 ot 1940 model. As noted by Mark, it is a "roadster" style frame. However, beyond that it gets tricky. The only men's roadster models in 1939 and 1940 with the single piece crankset were the Crecent Roadster and Rambler Roadster. Both were budget models and would not have come with chrome rims or a double brace front fender. The wheels also look they might be smaller than the 28" size found on these models. They look they may be 26" which would indicate a balloon tyre model. That would explain the double brace front fork and chrome rims, though it came with the three piece Triplex crankset. I guess we also shouldn't rule out a juvenile model, even though it does have an adult 50T chainwheel. Since sizes are hard to judge from photos, please post the tyre/wheel size and frame size. Both will help to narrow down the model.



Thank you T-Mar Serial number is 4C8716. Frame is 20 inches and wheel size is 26 by 13/4.. Balloon tire model? Front rim is Dunlop chrome, rear rim may be different or just lost chrome. Thanks for your help guys.

markk900 01-14-22 10:58 AM

garryg Saw your post on vintageccm and I tend to agree with the Balloon Tire ID as an option, since it did have chrome rims and a double stay fender, plus the frame is indicated to be "longer and wider" which yours appears to be; but in the 1938 catalog that model still had a Triplex (cotterless) crank. I can't find a 1939 catalog to see if they went one piece in 1939.

Here's a catalog reference for you:

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garryg 01-14-22 11:08 AM

Thanks to all of you for the info.

VtwinVince 01-14-22 11:25 AM

Very cool Garry, guess I missed that one. Looks like the bike I used on my paper route BITD. Greets from down south here in Duncan.

T-Mar 01-14-22 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by garryg (Post 22373800)
Thank you T-Mar Serial number is 4C8716. Frame is 20 inches and wheel size is 26 by 13/4.. Balloon tire model? Front rim is Dunlop chrome, rear rim may be different or just lost chrome. Thanks for your help guys.

The serial number is for the 1939 calendar year. That year, the Canadian bicycle industry produced 70,567 bicycles. CCM's exact share is not known but is generally considered to be around 80-85% (i.e.~ 56,000 - 60,000). Consequently, being frame number 48,716 production may have taken quite late in the year and it could be a 1940 model. Unfortunately, there is no way to say for sure.

Regardless, 26" wheels, in conjunction with a 20" frame, points towards a CCM Balloon Men's Roadster, though the single piece crankset remains an anomaly. According to my March 1939 and November 27, 1939 price lists, this model came with the three piece Triplex crankset and was not downgraded to a single piece crankset until the 1941 model year. So, it would appear that the crankset was replaced at some point.

Of course, it is missing the rear fender. There was a mattress saddle option on some models around this era, so the saddle could be orignal. The brand may provide a further clue. It would not have had a factory installed chainguard, so that's one thing you don't have to worry about. Original tyres would have been 26" x 2" but they're getting hard to find.

T-Mar 01-14-22 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22373699)
And I thought @clubman was the vintage Canadian.

He still is, in my book.

clubman 01-14-22 12:39 PM

Vintage implies having some value. Obsolete, redundant, out to pasture are more accurate. And loud, ask my wife.

jdawginsc 01-14-22 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22373699)
And I thought @clubman was the vintage Canadian.

You beat me to it...I was going to mention Randy!


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