Stuck, crossthreaded BB.
01-16-22, 12:23 AM
#26
Mad bike riding scientist
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 25,133
Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones
Mentioned: 136 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4793 Post(s)
Liked 2,349 Times
in
1,388 Posts
Originally Posted by Mad Honk
In the case that both sides are of the same design I would use a semi deep socket that will fit over the spindle but would engage the removal tool (or two one on each side) and then use a c-clamp to hold the tool in place. And then use a wrench and if needed a cheater bar. Smiles, MH
__________________
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
01-16-22, 06:36 AM
#27
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
The fixed side is the same style as the adjustable side except it is completely inside of the frame.
If true, then the drive side would have to backed out in the reverse it would ordinarily (instead of clockwise removal...the reverse...or normal thread removal), as would the NDS (which would be normal counterclockwise removal...but would be removed clockwise).
Hard to tell...need to take a good look from the up close.
Honestly, those cups and threads are likely bodged...you'll probably need to get the threads recut. Read the threads on the exposed cup and use a pipe wrench to remove it. Then know that the other cup will remove opposite and use the Sheldon Brown tool to remove.
That's how'd I'd attack it, but there are much smarter folks/wrenchers out there.
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
01-16-22, 06:38 AM
#28
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Looking at the first picture posted (of the NDS) it is what I thought. I think. You will have to remove it across the cross threading.
How the heck did they do that...?
How the heck did they do that...?
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
Last edited by jdawginsc; 01-16-22 at 10:12 AM.
Likes For jdawginsc:
01-16-22, 11:57 AM
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Madison, WI USA
Posts: 5,661
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1863 Post(s)
Liked 951 Times
in
715 Posts
Second photo in first post is of the non-drive side, and depicts a right-hand-thread cup, so no, it doesn't look like they've been installed in the wrong position left-to-right.
01-16-22, 03:45 PM
#30
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Looking at the first picture posted (of the NDS) it is what I thought. I think. You will have to remove it across the cross threading.
How the heck did they do that...?
How the heck did they do that...?
01-16-22, 04:43 PM
#32
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
The drive side pics.
you might wish to try to turn them opposite of how they should be if they are reverse cross threaded?
01-16-22, 05:25 PM
#33
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by jdawginsc
What tool are you trying to use to turn the cups? A spanner of sorts?
you might wish to try to turn them opposite of how they should be if they are reverse cross threaded?
you might wish to try to turn them opposite of how they should be if they are reverse cross threaded?
01-16-22, 05:56 PM
#34
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 15,521
Mentioned: 394 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2875 Post(s)
Liked 3,444 Times
in
1,563 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
a pin spanner.
Likes For nlerner:
01-16-22, 07:03 PM
#35
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Guess you didn't see my advice about a hammer and punch. Pin spanner is far too weak.
Pin spanner is a no go for anything you need oomph for.
i remember seeing a homemade tool for these...it was a pair of channel locks with two ends ground into pins that fit into the slots.
i wonder if those bent needle nose pliers might help.
https://www.amazon.com/ABN-90-Degree.../dp/B072JV2RV3
Last edited by jdawginsc; 01-16-22 at 07:08 PM.
01-16-22, 08:02 PM
#36
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 9,811
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Mentioned: 195 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3043 Post(s)
Liked 2,612 Times
in
1,704 Posts
Freewheel tool clamped on? 
01-16-22, 08:04 PM
#37
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
Freewheel tool clamped on?
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
01-17-22, 12:24 AM
#39
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 9,811
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Mentioned: 195 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3043 Post(s)
Liked 2,612 Times
in
1,704 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
I got it out a couple of hours ago with a tool that the bike shop provided.
Can we see the tool plz?
Likes For grant40:
01-17-22, 01:56 PM
#41
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 9,811
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Mentioned: 195 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3043 Post(s)
Liked 2,612 Times
in
1,704 Posts
Tx!
Should have known.
Always considered that one to be a bit wimpy.
Did you get both cups out with it, were they very stuck, actually crossthreaded?
Should have known.
Always considered that one to be a bit wimpy.
Did you get both cups out with it, were they very stuck, actually crossthreaded?
01-17-22, 03:18 PM
#42
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
Tx!
Should have known.
Always considered that one to be a bit wimpy.
Did you get both cups out with it, were they very stuck, actually crossthreaded?
Should have known.
Always considered that one to be a bit wimpy.
Did you get both cups out with it, were they very stuck, actually crossthreaded?
Likes For grant40:
01-17-22, 03:19 PM
#43
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
The left side cup was defected, but the frame is fine. I am fitting a Sugino BB on it and I just need a 70mm square taper spindle.
01-17-22, 06:54 PM
#44
Mad bike riding scientist
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 25,133
Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones
Mentioned: 136 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4793 Post(s)
Liked 2,349 Times
in
1,388 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
The left side cup was defected, but the frame is fine. I am fitting a Sugino BB on it and I just need a 70mm square taper spindle.
__________________
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
01-17-22, 07:06 PM
#45
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Guess you didn't see my advice about a hammer and punch. Pin spanner is far too weak.
01-17-22, 07:08 PM
#46
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute
I think you need to measure again. 70mm is far too short…if it is even available. Your bottom bracket shell is 68mm. I’d also suggest going with a Shimano BB-UN300 or similar sealed bottom bracket. It makes life much easier.
01-17-22, 07:17 PM
#47
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Glad I was completely wrong again...haha.
No way the spindle is 70 mm if the bottom bracket is English thread, which itself should be 68mm. Unless it is a mighty thin crank arm...!
No way the spindle is 70 mm if the bottom bracket is English thread, which itself should be 68mm. Unless it is a mighty thin crank arm...!
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
Likes For jdawginsc:
01-17-22, 07:54 PM
#48
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 15,521
Mentioned: 394 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2875 Post(s)
Liked 3,444 Times
in
1,563 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
I actually tried the hammer and punch and it didn't work.
Likes For nlerner:
01-17-22, 08:01 PM
#49
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 414
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times
in
122 Posts
Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Glad I was completely wrong again...haha.
No way the spindle is 70 mm if the bottom bracket is English thread, which itself should be 68mm. Unless it is a mighty thin crank arm...!
No way the spindle is 70 mm if the bottom bracket is English thread, which itself should be 68mm. Unless it is a mighty thin crank arm...!
01-17-22, 08:47 PM
#50
Edumacator
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 4,024
Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1272 Post(s)
Liked 1,143 Times
in
804 Posts
Originally Posted by grant40
I think you just don't understand what I'm talking about because I'm talking about the ridges that hold the bearings in and the distance between them.
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1980s Vanni Losa Cassani thingy, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981? Faggin, Cannondale M500, etc...Need to do an N -1...
