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Old 02-17-22, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nfoard1@gmail.c View Post
Any idea what model you guys think it might actually be?
PX that has later graphics with the repaint
well done but for the asking should be total correct.
note the flat lander gearing.
I like this graphic package, almost bought one as a training bike in 1975, not these lugs
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For someone who knows how to work on bicycles and dose not mind going through the tedious process of assembling or rather re-assembling a PX-10 it is an unreasonable price.

But then things are not what they used to be even a few months ago. You could easily spend a thousand dollars on components and time to assemble a bike like this from scratch.

I would certainly pass on the cost of 990 USD but who really knows where all this bike stuff is going.

Look at my almost empty parts bins. Years ago they were filled with components labeled Campagnolo, Shimano, Suntour, Sinplex, and now... Meh... Now mostly they contain scrap aluminum and little left over do dads made of Chinesium...
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Chrome socks in the rear with simplex drop outs is a pretty good sign that the frame is likely a PX 10; the parts are largely right as well I think for a PX 10. The fork may be off a PR 10 though. The Reynolds stickers look wrong and the decals could well be from the late 70s as well. Something is not quite right about this bike and the price is too high in any case.

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Old 02-17-22, 09:25 PM
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Ocker Kludge ;-)

nfoard1@gmail.c Is that $990 in OZ Dollars or US Dollars?

I've only seen this style lug on a 1975 PV-10E. Not sure who made them? These were top of the line team bikes.





The headset is a standard model used on Peugeot UO-8, PR-10 and other less expensive bikes. A PX-10 would have had a Stronglight V4 Competition headset. I mentioned the lugs above. The Reynolds 531 sticker is in English not French. The worst offense is the ham fisted kludge using a Weinmann/Dia-Compe brake lever ferrule on the front brake cable hanger...



Other discrepancies: should have a Brooks Pro saddle and a Simplex seatpost, the Simplex LJ4000 rear derailleur ??? Stronglight 105 chain rings on a 93 crank, MAFAC half hoods should be full brake lever hoods, and the cast aluminum stem. The decals date from 1976.

Reason I'm nit picking, one or two minor changes are completely acceptable if they're period correct. When you have that many little things, it makes me wonder what else doesn't match? Paint can hide a multitude of sins!

Another consideration, the bike is from OZ. Peugeot, Gitane, Motobecane, Raleigh and Bianchi made models for various markets around the world. When you cross borders, all of the published specs go out the window!

In the US PX-10 bikes have rarely sold for over $750...

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This is later livery than we usually see, stripes and 531 placement correct with no 531 on the fork for this version.

NEVER seen these lugs on a PX-10, MAYBE older, odd, obscure, or something, something fishy.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
While not a perfect match, the 1977 PRN10E seems very close.




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I think cb4bill nailed it....for more info check out the link, All Px10's would have had tubulars not clinchers etc.
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...there's been a PX-10 in excellent shape, on the Bay Area Craigslist at $1,295 for most of the winter, and maybe part of last summer.
Personally, I think that's a crazy ask for this bike. They used to be pretty plentiful here in the $400 range, but needing some love and mechanical attention.

As already stated, once you get up in the $700-1200 range on pricing, you have a lot of choices on the local CL, some of them Italian, some English made.
All of them are probably better bikes than a PX-10 for a thousand bucks. They're fun bikes as projects, but part of the reason they're fun is they were cheap.

All original on a PX-10 is not necessarily a good thing. The stem, bar, and derailleurs were all of somewhat questionable durability. nttawwt

I don't recognize that frame construction, but verktyg is usually right on this stuff. Repainted bikes are usually pretty difficult to judge for accuracy, unless you do them yourself.
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Originally Posted by nfoard1@gmail.c View Post
What would be a reasonable price? Seller is asking $990
Ouch ! I paid about $500 NZ for mine a couple of years ago.
Plain lugs but original and tidy .
$990.00 sounds a bit steep to me .

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It appears to be a PY frame based on the unique lug design. It would have been built in the Prestige Peugeot workshop. As Verktyg pointed out, it has been refinished and re-equipped with non-standard decals and components. The $990 ask seems high for a re-finished PY or PZ but you could simply consider it as a frame investment and use or sell off the incorrect bits while prepping for a restoration. It's a very rare frameset.
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OP Is In OZ - Australia!

As I questioned in my post above is the $990 in USD or AUD?

$990 AUD (Australian Dollars) = ~$713 USD....

Not too shabby but consider the bike a kludge of mostly decent components being passed off as a PX-10 and with it, buyer beware because of some glaring mismatches.

Chrome plating is frequently painted over because of RUST.... Fe2O3

Could be that there was some rust on the lugs but the forks and stays were OK, or it could have been a personal preference or cynic that I am, the front end could have been repaired. As I mentioned, paint can hide a multitude of sins!

If it is as bertinjim suggested, a product of the Prestige Peugeot Workshop, it is likely to have been made of light gauge Reynolds 531 or 531SL (Extra Leger or Special Lightweight). In that case it would be a frame worth having if there is no hidden damage.




1975 PV-10E



Without more info,

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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
Chrome plating is frequently painted over because of RUST.... Fe2O3

Could be that there was some rust on the lugs but the forks and stays were OK, or it could have been a personal preference or cynic that I am, the front end could have been repaired. As I mentioned, paint can hide a multitude of sins!

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You are right about paint over rusted or peeling chrome. My two littermate Capo Siegers:


Repainted Cap Sieger frame, serial number very close to that of my other Sieger, so who was I to say no to it?

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New pic posted by OP.

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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
New pic posted by OP.

This is a completely different bike, a UO8 -- cottered cranks, "Aztec" lugs, downtube pump pegs, steel wheels, larger frame (taller head tube). If this comes from the original seller, then this is another flag. Or is the OP asking for an opinion on this different bike from a different seller?
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This is a completely different bike, a UO8 -- cottered cranks, "Aztec" lugs, downtube pump pegs, steel wheels, larger frame (taller head tube). If this comes from the original seller, then this is another flag. Or is the OP asking for an opinion on this different bike from a different seller?
Yes, thats a $990 all day long...$99.00 that is. Something is very fishy if these are the ew pictures of the bike for sale.
Still a pass for me. OP you can do much better.
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Maybe not entirely applicable if the OPer is in Australia, but I bought a '72 PX-10 this past fall for $180. A bit rough, and the wheels were crappy 27" steel-rimmed clinchers (very likely swapped at the shop when originally purchased), every thing else original. Cleaned up very nicely, though I still haven't decided/built/found a set of wheels for it yet. $990 seems.... insane. Though perusing FB marketplace, CL, etc., I see a lot of insanely priced bikes out there.
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$990 is nuts! I sold this PX10 a year or two ago for $350.

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​​​​​​I sold this PX10 a year or two ago for $350.

$350? MY GOD THAT'S NICE
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It was pretty rough when I got it. I paid $35 for it. I got it powder coated and new decals. I ended up with about $150 total invested in it.

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​​​​​​I sold this PX10 a year or two ago for $350.

$350? MY GOD THAT'S NICE
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They look like neither the ornate Nervex nor the plainer Prugnat lugs that are known on these bikes. They look like the chunkier facsimiles that show up on Japanese bikes of the era. What’s the serial? Also, where did he find it? That’s important to know.
Re: serial number - 1913324
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This is a completely different bike, a UO8 -- cottered cranks, "Aztec" lugs, downtube pump pegs, steel wheels, larger frame (taller head tube). If this comes from the original seller, then this is another flag. Or is the OP asking for an opinion on this different bike from a different seller?
I didnt realise I posted that in this thread sorry. I was going yo ask for opinions on this bike as i was looking at this as well. The seller is only asking $150 aud for it.
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Parts list as stated on the ad:
new schwalbe 27 x 1/4 tyres
Refurbished wheelset
new brake and gear cables
new bar tape
simplex front and rear derailleurs with simplex levers and cables
170mm stronglight cranks 51/46
NOS 5 speed shamans cassette 14 -28
maillard 700 pedals, Christophe toe clips
zues fluted seat post
stronglight headset
75mm atax stem
Brooks B17 saddle
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Parts list as stated on the ad: new schwalbe 27 x 1/4 tyres...
27"? There's a red flag.

Good luck removing the rear wheel while the tire's inflated ... or even half inflated.

Look for a Motobécane instead. Grand Jubile or better.
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I didnt realise I posted that in this thread sorry. I was going yo ask for opinions on this bike as i was looking at this as well. The seller is only asking $150 aud for it.
You didn't post it in the thread. I posted it for you. I guessed that you were looking at it, as well.

The UO-8 is a lower end bike in the Peugeot line up. It is heavier and equipped with lower end components. However, many here own them, like how they ride, and appreciate them for what they are. But, they aren't a cheap alternative to a real PX-10.
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Originally Posted by 1simplexnut View Post
Ouch ! I paid about $500 NZ for mine a couple of years ago.
Plain lugs but original and tidy .
$990.00 sounds a bit steep to me .

That is in gorgeous condition. One also does not see PX-10s of that era with the original knee-busting 52-45 / 14-21 gearing every day. Almost every PX-10 we sold at Bikecology in th early 1970s went out the door with a 14-26 or 14-28 freewheel.
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