How to get rear derailleur cable house to run straight on vintage steel frame?
I'm trying to build up a vintage steel bike for the first time and got to installing the rear derailleur. However when I tried installing the gear cable and rear derailleur cable housing (this is for downtube shifters) the cable housing that is closest to the crank will not sit flush against the knob in the frame. You can see this in my photos that the cable housing just pushes straight up rather than running smoothly with the gear cable.
I haven't put the chain on yet, but you'll see that if the rear derailleur were in the same position without the wheel in place, the cable housing isn't sitting flush against the little knob where the housing is supposed to sit. On my other vintage bike they run fairly smoothly. I'm not sure what the issue is here and this is my first time building up a frame so help would be appreciated. Could it be that the cable housing length is still too long? Is my cable tension not tight enough? https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0503dac0e.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84bf958714.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4301100ac1.jpg |
You need a stepped ferrule.
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Yep, you need a stepped ferrule to hold it in place. Is that brake or derailleur housing you're using?
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Thanks, the answer was so simple.
Originally Posted by JSL
(Post 22477978)
Yep, you need a stepped ferrule to hold it in place. Is that brake or derailleur housing you're using?
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Originally Posted by PapaGanoosh
(Post 22477979)
I believe it's brake housing. Is there a difference if this is for downtube shifters? Should I be using derailleur housing?
This is the ferrule you need for that cable stop: https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=1613 https://www.universalcycles.com/imag...dium/62560.jpg |
Or with the proper vintage housing, it'll porobably come with the right ferrule.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/10..._1024x1024.jpg |
And, you really do need derailleur housing!
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Originally Posted by PapaGanoosh
(Post 22477979)
Thanks, the answer was so simple.
I believe it's brake housing. Is there a difference if this is for downtube shifters? Should I be using derailleur housing? |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 22477983)
Or with the proper vintage housing, it'll porobably come with the right ferrule.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/10..._1024x1024.jpg |
alternatively you could just use a cable tie along the chainstay to hold it straight and remove the too big ferrule
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I suspect that the doll's head cable stop will require a ferrule somewhat smaller than 4mm.
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Originally Posted by ZudeJammer
(Post 22478035)
alternatively you could just use a cable tie along the chainstay to hold it straight and remove the too big ferrule
It will only cost you a few cents do do the job correctly. |
Originally Posted by top506
(Post 22478087)
I suspect that the doll's head cable stop will require a ferrule somewhat smaller than 4mm.
Top https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3ed7c052f7.jpg Found it on Ebay....I think. |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 22478095)
Don't take the ziptie shortcut. Get the proper ferrule and the proper rear derailleur housing, and do the job right. Don't use that coiled housing.
It will only cost you a few cents do do the job correctly. |
A small point: bikes older than about 1985 probably used 5mm 'brake' outer for the shift cables.
I tried Shimano shift cables on my 1982 Holdsworth and the outer kept pushing through the cable stop (same position as OP one), then I worked out it was meant to take a 5mm outer since SIS wasn't invented for another few years. |
Originally Posted by Chombi1
(Post 22478108)
I use "coiled" RD cable housing for most of my bikes and do not have any problems with them, plus they look great on a C&V bike.
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I have used a cable tie to good effect on one bike where the stepped ferrule or any other ferrule and any type of housing just wouldn't run very smoothly.
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Originally Posted by top506
(Post 22478087)
I suspect that the doll's head cable stop will require a ferrule somewhat smaller than 4mm.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
(Post 22478223)
I have used a cable tie to good effect on one bike where the stepped ferrule or any other ferrule and any type of housing just wouldn't run very smoothly.
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Get the chain on to length to assess the loop size.
needs to be fair but not clownish. I agree a stepped furrel is required the pre crimped end on the current assembly may need to be cut off, in extreme cases the vinyl coating trimmed back to fit. we called them Diver's Helmet stops, Campagnolo came up with them. of course one has to be old enough to recall Diver Dan |
I can see the likeness to a diver's helmet; we just called them cable stops.
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I *think* Jagwire makes stepped ferrules?
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Just do it right. A little Harbor Freight torch and a pinch of silver solder with flux and done.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9e8c5f3f46.png Brazeons |
Originally Posted by mgopack42
(Post 22478227)
I call these "diver helmet" stops. I have this on one of my bikes, and when i was switching part, I set the special ferrule aside so aas not to lose it... of course I lost it. any one have a supplier for these special ferrules?
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I bought a handful from Velo Orange a few months ago, and it looks like they're still in stock: https://velo-orange.com/collections/...cap-5mm-to-4mm
EDIT: I have a similar diver helmet stop on my Eisentraut, and I am fairly certain I tried one of these ferrules in the stop after I repainted the frame to ensure I hadn't gummed up the works. I would do it again to validate, but right now I need to find the bag of ferrules again within my, ahem, "active project" space. |
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