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Old 05-23-22, 01:55 PM
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Polishing the paint to get the gloss back


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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage View Post
Great info!
I noticed the chain it had on it was stamped ĎBrampton Franceí
A little stiff but not in bad shape considering the age!





Iíll definitely take a look at the axle cones for dates as well.
Btw the BB shell does have some markings but Iím unable to identify it due to wear but Iíll snap a picture to be sure.
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MY ERROR!

you mentioned the Brampton of France drive chain in your initial post

these are prized by vintage enthusiasts in-the-know; especially fine are the caramel coloured ones

BTW -

this manufacturer was also a producer of pedals

advert of 1926 -




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wrt your stem and bar questions -

the stem looks like an unstamped Cinelli to my eye as well

Titan brand bars are typically 27.0mm at the centre

if the stem is indeed Cinelli one would expect it to have a clamp size of 26.4mm


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My first thought is the fork crown is a variant of the Vagner PL used on Allegros built for the road, but a Pista-specific version for the round fork blades - but I will defer to Juvela if he thinks it's a Georg Fischer product!
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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MY ERROR!

you mentioned the Brampton of France drive chain in your initial post

these are prized by vintage enthusiasts in-the-know; especially fine are the caramel coloured ones

BTW -

this manufacturer was also a producer of pedals

advert of 1926 -




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wrt your stem and bar questions -

the stem looks like an unstamped Cinelli to my eye as well

Titan brand bars are typically 27.0mm at the centre

if the stem is indeed Cinelli one would expect it to have a clamp size of 26.4mm


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Wonderful vintage ad for the Brampton pedals, stuff like that just makes me smile haha
Thank you for the insight!


The bars do have a part of the original decal remaining but Iím having difficulty identifying the manufacturer



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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
My first thought is the fork crown is a variant of the Vagner PL used on Allegros built for the road, but a Pista-specific version for the round fork blades - but I will defer to Juvela if he thinks it's a Georg Fischer product!
Hmm. I need to check thoroughly, however, there doesnít seem to be any markings on the underside of the crown. I need to remove the fork and check the steer tube for markings next. Cheers
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This is a sample of Vagner's crowns - PL is in the top row.
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
This is a sample of Vagner's crowns - PL is in the top row.

Wow, thatís pretty spot on! 🤔
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bar transfer is indeed Titan

forum member non-fixie is knowledgeable on products of this maker

he may have some information to share...


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bar transfer is indeed Titan

forum member non-fixie is knowledgeable on products of this maker

he may have some information to share...


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I appreciate it!
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Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
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Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...
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Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
Once owned an Allegro road bike, serial number 200000 that had the same chrome /paint treatment. Believe it was the same color also.
Have had many Allegros pass thru my hands over the years. Still own about ten.
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Originally Posted by retyred View Post
Once owned an Allegro road bike, serial number 200000 that had the same chrome /paint treatment. Believe it was the same color also.
Have had many Allegros pass thru my hands over the years. Still own about ten.
I saw the pictures of your 20000 serial # Allegro, its a work of art. 👌🏼
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Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
Im not entirely sure yet but Iíll find out and report back. The campy BB is stamped 35 X 1.00 and 3/16Ē
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Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...

Lol🤣
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Here you can see the polished area contrast against the contaminated 60 year old paint


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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage View Post
Im not entirely sure yet but Iíll find out and report back. The campy BB is stamped 35 X 1.00 and 3/16Ē

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Woo-hoo!

Hen's teeth me lad, hen's teeth!

There was roughly a one-year period in the early 1960's when Tullio produced all of the Record series bottom bracket fittings in a version for 3/16" ball.

They made absolutely everything available in 3/16" ball: road, track, triple, 68mm, 70mm...and even 74mm!

Have in me archives a 3/16" ball Record bottom bracket spindle for 3X and 74mm shell, NOS.


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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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Woo-hoo!

Hen's teeth me lad, hen's teeth!

There was roughly a one-year period in the early 1960's when Tullio produced all of the Record series bottom bracket fittings in a version for 3/16" ball.
They made absolutely everything available in 3/16" ball: road, track, triple, 68mm, 70mm...and even 74mm!
Have in me archives a 3/16" ball Record bottom bracket spindle for 3X and 74mm shell, NOS.

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Haha I had no idea. Thats really great information! Iíll do some digging into Tullio! Cheers


*I wonder if this dates my Allegro 1963 rather than 62 or if the BB was changed out later but considering they only made them for one year I doubt it 🤔


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this is one great thread...I am enjoying it!
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Great post. Welcome to the Allegro family!

Looking forward to seeing it all put together!
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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage View Post
Haha I had no idea. Thats really great information! I’ll do some digging into Tullio! Cheers


*I wonder if this dates my Allegro 1963 rather than 62 or if the BB was changed out later but considering they only made them for one year I doubt it 🤔


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forgot to mention in me post that all such bottom bracket fittings are marked "Con Sfere Da 3/16" "

our many Campag experts will be along to put right any error(s) on me part and provide more and better information on this...

one possibility which would keep your dating correct is that the frame may have been sold separately and built into a complete cycle by a retailer or consumer

do not wish to assert that this is the case; mention it only as a possibility for you to consider

framesets of this marque were sold bare as well as complete machines


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this is one great thread...I am enjoying it!
Im glad to hear it, so am I 👍🏼
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Looking forward to seeing it all put together!
Definitely! Thanks Albert
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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forgot to mention in me post that all such bottom bracket fittings are marked "Con Sfere Da 3/16" "

our many Campag experts will be along to put right any error(s) on me part and provide more and better information on this...

one possibility which would keep your dating correct is that the frame may have been sold separately and built into a complete cycle by a retailer or consumer

do not wish to assert that this is the case; mention it only as a possibility for you to consider

framesets of this marque were sold bare as well as complete machines


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Great, It does have the Con Sfere Da markings on the BB 👍🏼
I was unaware that they sold these frame sets along with completes. Makes me wonder in this particular case, how it was specíd all Campagnolo
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Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...
All-wheel drive and a warranty. The additional 100+ hp is nice tooÖ
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