1961-62 Allegro Special Pista
05-23-22, 01:55 PM
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Polishing the paint to get the gloss back
05-23-22, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage
Great info!
I noticed the chain it had on it was stamped ‘Brampton France’
A little stiff but not in bad shape considering the age!
I’ll definitely take a look at the axle cones for dates as well.
Btw the BB shell does have some markings but I’m unable to identify it due to wear but I’ll snap a picture to be sure.
I noticed the chain it had on it was stamped ‘Brampton France’
A little stiff but not in bad shape considering the age!
I’ll definitely take a look at the axle cones for dates as well.
Btw the BB shell does have some markings but I’m unable to identify it due to wear but I’ll snap a picture to be sure.
MY ERROR!
you mentioned the Brampton of France drive chain in your initial post
these are prized by vintage enthusiasts in-the-know; especially fine are the caramel coloured ones
BTW -
this manufacturer was also a producer of pedals
advert of 1926 -
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wrt your stem and bar questions -
the stem looks like an unstamped Cinelli to my eye as well
Titan brand bars are typically 27.0mm at the centre
if the stem is indeed Cinelli one would expect it to have a clamp size of 26.4mm
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05-23-22, 02:20 PM
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My first thought is the fork crown is a variant of the Vagner PL used on Allegros built for the road, but a Pista-specific version for the round fork blades - but I will defer to Juvela if he thinks it's a Georg Fischer product!
05-23-22, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela
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MY ERROR!
you mentioned the Brampton of France drive chain in your initial post
these are prized by vintage enthusiasts in-the-know; especially fine are the caramel coloured ones
BTW -
this manufacturer was also a producer of pedals
advert of 1926 -
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wrt your stem and bar questions -
the stem looks like an unstamped Cinelli to my eye as well
Titan brand bars are typically 27.0mm at the centre
if the stem is indeed Cinelli one would expect it to have a clamp size of 26.4mm
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MY ERROR!
you mentioned the Brampton of France drive chain in your initial post
these are prized by vintage enthusiasts in-the-know; especially fine are the caramel coloured ones
BTW -
this manufacturer was also a producer of pedals
advert of 1926 -
---
wrt your stem and bar questions -
the stem looks like an unstamped Cinelli to my eye as well
Titan brand bars are typically 27.0mm at the centre
if the stem is indeed Cinelli one would expect it to have a clamp size of 26.4mm
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Wonderful vintage ad for the Brampton pedals, stuff like that just makes me smile haha
Thank you for the insight!
The bars do have a part of the original decal remaining but I’m having difficulty identifying the manufacturer
05-23-22, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61
My first thought is the fork crown is a variant of the Vagner PL used on Allegros built for the road, but a Pista-specific version for the round fork blades - but I will defer to Juvela if he thinks it's a Georg Fischer product!
05-23-22, 02:57 PM
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This is a sample of Vagner's crowns - PL is in the top row.
05-23-22, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61
This is a sample of Vagner's crowns - PL is in the top row.
Wow, that’s pretty spot on! 🤔
05-23-22, 03:39 PM
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bar transfer is indeed Titan
forum member non-fixie is knowledgeable on products of this maker
he may have some information to share...
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bar transfer is indeed Titan
forum member non-fixie is knowledgeable on products of this maker
he may have some information to share...
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05-23-22, 05:12 PM
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Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
05-23-22, 05:23 PM
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Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...
05-23-22, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bbbob
Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
Have had many Allegros pass thru my hands over the years. Still own about ten.
05-23-22, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by retyred
Once owned an Allegro road bike, serial number 200000 that had the same chrome /paint treatment. Believe it was the same color also.
Have had many Allegros pass thru my hands over the years. Still own about ten.
Have had many Allegros pass thru my hands over the years. Still own about ten.
05-23-22, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bbbob
Unusual paint/chrome divisions, unique ! That's a rare piece. What threads are the BB ? is the steering tube 25x1 with 22.0 ID or is it "normal" ?
05-23-22, 05:38 PM
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Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...
Lol🤣
05-23-22, 05:44 PM
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Here you can see the polished area contrast against the contaminated 60 year old paint
05-23-22, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage
Im not entirely sure yet but I’ll find out and report back. The campy BB is stamped 35 X 1.00 and 3/16”
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Hen's teeth me lad, hen's teeth!
There was roughly a one-year period in the early 1960's when Tullio produced all of the Record series bottom bracket fittings in a version for 3/16" ball.
They made absolutely everything available in 3/16" ball: road, track, triple, 68mm, 70mm...and even 74mm!
Have in me archives a 3/16" ball Record bottom bracket spindle for 3X and 74mm shell, NOS.
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05-23-22, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela
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Woo-hoo!
Hen's teeth me lad, hen's teeth!
There was roughly a one-year period in the early 1960's when Tullio produced all of the Record series bottom bracket fittings in a version for 3/16" ball.
They made absolutely everything available in 3/16" ball: road, track, triple, 68mm, 70mm...and even 74mm!
Have in me archives a 3/16" ball Record bottom bracket spindle for 3X and 74mm shell, NOS.
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Woo-hoo!
Hen's teeth me lad, hen's teeth!
There was roughly a one-year period in the early 1960's when Tullio produced all of the Record series bottom bracket fittings in a version for 3/16" ball.
They made absolutely everything available in 3/16" ball: road, track, triple, 68mm, 70mm...and even 74mm!
Have in me archives a 3/16" ball Record bottom bracket spindle for 3X and 74mm shell, NOS.
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Haha I had no idea. Thats really great information! I’ll do some digging into Tullio! Cheers
*I wonder if this dates my Allegro 1963 rather than 62 or if the BB was changed out later but considering they only made them for one year I doubt it 🤔
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05-23-22, 09:50 PM
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Great post. Welcome to the Allegro family!
Looking forward to seeing it all put together!
05-23-22, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Yune_Garage
Haha I had no idea. Thats really great information! I’ll do some digging into Tullio! Cheers
*I wonder if this dates my Allegro 1963 rather than 62 or if the BB was changed out later but considering they only made them for one year I doubt it 🤔
*I wonder if this dates my Allegro 1963 rather than 62 or if the BB was changed out later but considering they only made them for one year I doubt it 🤔
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forgot to mention in me post that all such bottom bracket fittings are marked "Con Sfere Da 3/16" "
our many Campag experts will be along to put right any error(s) on me part and provide more and better information on this...
one possibility which would keep your dating correct is that the frame may have been sold separately and built into a complete cycle by a retailer or consumer
do not wish to assert that this is the case; mention it only as a possibility for you to consider
framesets of this marque were sold bare as well as complete machines
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05-23-22, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
this is one great thread...I am enjoying it!
05-23-22, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sactown_Albert
Looking forward to seeing it all put together!
05-23-22, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela
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forgot to mention in me post that all such bottom bracket fittings are marked "Con Sfere Da 3/16" "
our many Campag experts will be along to put right any error(s) on me part and provide more and better information on this...
one possibility which would keep your dating correct is that the frame may have been sold separately and built into a complete cycle by a retailer or consumer
do not wish to assert that this is the case; mention it only as a possibility for you to consider
framesets of this marque were sold bare as well as complete machines
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forgot to mention in me post that all such bottom bracket fittings are marked "Con Sfere Da 3/16" "
our many Campag experts will be along to put right any error(s) on me part and provide more and better information on this...
one possibility which would keep your dating correct is that the frame may have been sold separately and built into a complete cycle by a retailer or consumer
do not wish to assert that this is the case; mention it only as a possibility for you to consider
framesets of this marque were sold bare as well as complete machines
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Great, It does have the Con Sfere Da markings on the BB 👍🏼
I was unaware that they sold these frame sets along with completes. Makes me wonder in this particular case, how it was spec’d all Campagnolo
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Originally Posted by bbbob
Sold the Abarth for a boosuroo ? You are and still will pay for this, could have at least hooked up a bob trailer to the Weber equipped item...
