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Old 06-04-22, 01:11 PM
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Cinelli SC Monza

I am still a little in shock that this came up locally and in my size! Still has the Cinelli bar tape and plugs! The crank looks like it could be a replacement but everything else looks original. Supposedly there were only made in 61 but any info is appreciated.











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I think the crank is original, looks to be a 151 bcd.
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There was a lengthy discussion with lots of information a couple months ago:

Cinelli SC Monza
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Is there an oil port on the top of the BB NDS?
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Is there an oil port on the top of the BB NDS?
Yes, one there and one on underside of bb.
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Originally Posted by purebikes View Post
Yes, one there and one on underside of bb.
S/N even though we now they don't tell us much?

They can sometimes give a good ballpark depending on others that are documented around it.

The Monza nails it down pretty good anyway but..

I have an SC that is from the same time with ports that was determined to be 60-61 so just curious.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
s/n even though we now they don't tell us much?

They can sometimes give a good ballpark depending on others that are documented around it.

The monza nails it down pretty good anyway but..

I have an sc that is from the same time with ports that was determined to be 60-61 so just curious.
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Tx man, killer find, you should go buy a lottery ticket too.

Mines 7030 and was explained to me that "sometimes" numbers close together "might" be actually close together.

Looks like that "might" be the case here, maybe, or not.
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Tx man, killer find, you should go buy a lottery ticket too.

Mines 7030 and was explained to me that "sometimes" numbers close together "might" be actually close together.

Looks like that "might" be the case here, maybe, or not.
There is a very similar Monza badged bike with serial # 7095 on the web. It has a different crank and the colors are different, but otherwise the same. It is interesting that the Monza model doesn’t have that much info on it, but either way I am glad to own it.
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Originally Posted by purebikes View Post
There is a very similar Monza badged bike with serial # 7095 on the web. It has a different crank and the colors are different, but otherwise the same. It is interesting that the Monza model doesn’t have that much info on it, but either way I am glad to own it.
Oh yeah, I have researched them pretty well and you're right even the people who know a lot, don't have much more on these, strange and wonderful all at the same time.
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Stylin'

some guys get all the luck

the rear hub may not match the front...
check the clamping surface of the lock nuts
rear QR is open C.... I think older than the bike.

was able to enlarge the images with the hubs- surprised both QRs have open C... and are probably "pre Record hubs" no record stamping under Campagnolo.

quite a bike.
get replacement pads so you can stop in a reasonable distance with reasonable force.

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Beautiful bike, and pretty rare from what I understand.
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Doing a little digging on these Monza’s this morning. Are all of the examples of these in the states? Just curious if the Monza was an early marketing addition for Cinelli’s to try out in the states? Just speculating and thinking like an Italian bike manufacturer trying to sell bikes in a different market. Maybe these were trying to capitalize on the foreign teams being at the Olympics in Rome in 1960 and to sell bikes in untapped markets. Is this “made in italy” decal
on other Cinelli bikes sold in other markets? Again, just speculating…I will put away my detective hat for a little bit


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It's odd to see chrome seat lug with painted head lugs. "Normally" SC's (of this era) always have chrome lugs (3) and crown, minimum.
From what I've seen, Monza models are structurally the same as SC, so just a marketing anomaly. The frame details indicate post 1960 and pre 1963.
Perhaps assembled before the availability of the "new" mod 61 brakes, which is a blessing IMHO, the center pulls really clutter up these elegant frames.
It's also interesting how the "made in Italy" decals, indicating an export, end up in various spots on the frame. I've seen upper head tube (common), seat tube,
and this top tube placement. Looks like a 74mm shell, which is the mo racy version.
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A couple more things about these Monzas I noticed. Now I have seen 4. None have the same paint. Also, none have the Cinelli headset. Without the same paint, it makes me think this is much more random. Bruggelmann SCs were pretty much always yellow. But a sample of 4 is tiny, so I still haven't a clue what the deal is with these bikes.
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Kind of curious about the "Monza" designation because I made a point of visiting the (then) Cinelli HQ when was in Milan in 1990.
IIRC (and maybe not since this was 32 years ago) I found the address in a phonebook (!) and got the concierge at our central-city Milano hotel to give advice on best ways to get there.
She decide a taxi would cost a fortune so gave us the complicated and time-consuming details to get out to the place I recall as being a long slow trip out to near Monza on city and inter-city buses.
But maybe not.
I recall by the time we got there the factory was near closing so didn't get to see much, but "enjoyed" the same long slow bus ride in reverse.

By what is recorded in Velo Retro's Cinelli timeline, it was the Sales Office (not the fabrication facility) which was located in No. 10 Viale Monza in Milalno and back in 1951 the Fabrication Site moved from Via Bartolomeo Eustachi, 30 to Via Egido Folli, 45 which is still within the city limits of Milano.

However there is nothing in that timeline about how long "Cinelli & C" stayed at this location or if /when they were actually located out in Monza (say in 1961, let alone in 1990).
But as we all know the metal headbadges as well as frame decals with the shield shaped coat of arms or "crest" have "MILANO" at the bottom from 1947 on.

The current location is recorded as Via G. Di Vittorio, 21 20049 Caleppio di Settala (MI) which to my reading is a suburb (Caleppio) some distance to the East of Milano City Limits, as well as an even greater distance SouthEast from Monza city limits.
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Bruggelmann SCs were pretty much always yellow.
yep, witrh red accents

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did you buy it yet
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Must be why Chevrolet later designated a model of the Corvair, Monza.
My first car. The American Porsche.
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I am still a little in shock that this came up locally and in my size! Still has the Cinelli bar tape and plugs! The crank looks like it could be a replacement but everything else looks original. Supposedly there were only made in 61 but any info is appreciated.



I have nothing to add on the Monza model. I just want to say "Wow!" and confess to a certain amount of jelousy. With a little careful cleaning and small detailing that one is a winner! Great find!
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^ holy way to cash in, Batman!
What can I say, I am a for profit enterprise. Plus, if it doesn’t sell, I get to keep it. 🥳
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