Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Please Stop Being So Cheap!

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Please Stop Being So Cheap!

Old 06-27-22, 11:32 AM
  #51  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 1,070
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 359 Post(s)
Liked 581 Times in 335 Posts
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Bikes I own and want to sell are always under valued.

Bikes I want to buy are always over valued.
And the differences challenge my powers of rationalization.
But I get 'er done.
bamboobike4 is offline  
Likes For bamboobike4:
Old 06-27-22, 11:33 AM
  #52  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 1,070
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 359 Post(s)
Liked 581 Times in 335 Posts
Maybe we need a Safe Space Valuation Inquiry thread.
bamboobike4 is offline  
Likes For bamboobike4:
Old 06-27-22, 12:59 PM
  #53  
Senior Member
 
Steel Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 861
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 342 Post(s)
Liked 456 Times in 246 Posts
Local valuations vary considerably. I've watched ebay priced bike on CL sit for weeks and then purchased them for real world prices - a fraction of ebay. Not to mention all the fees that come down on an ebay sale.

IMO take the appraisal here as a start point, add 10-15% and negotiate from there.

or not
Steel Charlie is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 01:37 PM
  #54  
Senior Member
 
zandoval's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bastrop Texas
Posts: 4,326

Bikes: Univega, Peu P6, Peu PR-10, Ted Williams, Peu UO-8, Peu UO-18 Mixte, Peu Dolomites

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 879 Post(s)
Liked 1,501 Times in 970 Posts
Originally Posted by wrk101

As found, directly from my car.

Wow... Is that a StumpJumper?

__________________
No matter where you're at... There you are... Δf:=f(1/2)-f(-1/2)
zandoval is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 02:11 PM
  #55  
Senior Member
 
Piff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,574
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 755 Post(s)
Liked 685 Times in 379 Posts
How is this even a debate? Of course the appraisal forum often lowballs to the price they (the appraiser) would hope to pay rather than what the bike could bring in a given market. And of course that's a disservice. There are few places on the net that have as much CV bike knowledge. On the flip side we have zero responsibility to give advice to thankless new posters other than a personal desire to help someone out.

So, if you don't feel like truly helping someone get their top dollar...don't post. Pretty simple.
Piff is offline  
Likes For Piff:
Old 06-27-22, 02:16 PM
  #56  
Full Member
 
SoccerBallXan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona
Posts: 441

Bikes: Many!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 186 Post(s)
Liked 206 Times in 124 Posts


Free appraisals are free. Lock it mods!
SoccerBallXan is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 02:21 PM
  #57  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,935

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 266 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4439 Post(s)
Liked 6,098 Times in 3,551 Posts
Free advice, freely given, or not, expectations are entirely up to you and not my concern.

We may be de facto experts of some sort but we all have a different lens we view through that skews and shapes our process.

merziac is online now  
Likes For merziac:
Old 06-27-22, 02:26 PM
  #58  
Edumacator
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 7,272

Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2346 Post(s)
Liked 2,843 Times in 1,820 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
Free advice, freely given, or not, expectations are entirely up to you and not my concern.

We may be de facto experts of some sort but we all have a different lens we view through that skews and shapes our process.

Which is why every time I have posted a response I have said I am not an expert and smarter people than me will likely chime in...

This should probably be moved to the appraisal forum, but my opinion has been appraised at zero.
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 Cannondale M500, 1984 Mercian, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi (model unknown), 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super












jdawginsc is offline  
Likes For jdawginsc:
Old 06-27-22, 02:52 PM
  #59  
Senior Member
 
rjhammett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 2,397

Bikes: 85 De Rosa, 92 Merckx MX Leader, 99 Tommasini Sintesi, 08 Look 585, 89 Merckx Corsa Extra, 72 Holdsworth Professional

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 358 Post(s)
Liked 537 Times in 236 Posts
If you feel that the valuations provided on the forum are low then try selling it for what you think it is worth. If you claim to have no idea what the item is worth and you think the provided valuations are low then you do have an idea of it's value. People are just giving their best guess what they think it is worth. I doubt anyone is providing a low value with the intent of trying to buy it from you for a reduced amount. Take all advice with a grain of salt.
rjhammett is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 03:19 PM
  #60  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kilroy1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Visalia, CA
Posts: 2,268
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 977 Post(s)
Liked 1,814 Times in 604 Posts
Originally Posted by Piff
How is this even a debate? Of course the appraisal forum often lowballs to the price they (the appraiser) would hope to pay rather than what the bike could bring in a given market. And of course that's a disservice. There are few places on the net that have as much CV bike knowledge. On the flip side we have zero responsibility to give advice to thankless new posters other than a personal desire to help someone out.

So, if you don't feel like truly helping someone get their top dollar...don't post. Pretty simple.
That's pretty much my take on this matter and why I posted in the first place. Without knowing the specific situation from which the request for appraisal is being made, such as whether a bicycle needs to sell quickly or not, whether they are attempting to sell it locally or on eBay, are willing to package and ship, etc... I think it is a disservice to simply offer up low numbers based on local market prices.

I'm a busy person and have a lot of things to do and make a decent living, but if I have something that I can spend a few hours cleaning up, advertising and putting in a box in order to possibly make several hundred more dollars than I would otherwise, then I'm sure as heck going to do just that! Maybe it's strange for me to expect similar behavior from most people but in my experience knowing I could make enough money for a month or two of car payments or grocery runs simply by taking some time to sell something on the open market is a no brainer.

-Gregory
Kilroy1988 is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 03:57 PM
  #61  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: South Louisiana
Posts: 372

Bikes: '71 Raleigh Inter, '98 Tommasini, '83 Trek 500, 83 Trek 720 '

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 118 Post(s)
Liked 198 Times in 109 Posts
I like this post although i have to confess i couldn't read all the drivel errr i mean opinions lol

what a requester for "what its worth" are getting is actually many appraisals based on someones experience in their sphere be it local ebay and or brand of bike.
I would say often i see the opinions on pricing as a bit low, then if i try to sell there are no buyers, this forum are usually pretty well informed, we have bought used bikes and know that we always spend more
on them than we initially think, you have to realize that this will affect the pricing given by most here.
Gary12000 is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 04:06 PM
  #62  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,935

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 266 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4439 Post(s)
Liked 6,098 Times in 3,551 Posts
And for what its worth being free, I have likely overpaid for many of my bikes, especially the ones I really wanted and was glad to do so.
merziac is online now  
Old 06-27-22, 04:09 PM
  #63  
Senior Member
 
noobinsf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 3,291

Bikes: '82 Univega Competizione, '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '83 Mercian KOM Touring, '85 Univega Alpina Uno, '76 Eisentraut Limited

Mentioned: 57 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,204 Times in 700 Posts
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
That's pretty much my take on this matter and why I posted in the first place. Without knowing the specific situation from which the request for appraisal is being made, such as whether a bicycle needs to sell quickly or not, whether they are attempting to sell it locally or on eBay, are willing to package and ship, etc... I think it is a disservice to simply offer up low numbers based on local market prices.

I'm a busy person and have a lot of things to do and make a decent living, but if I have something that I can spend a few hours cleaning up, advertising and putting in a box in order to possibly make several hundred more dollars than I would otherwise, then I'm sure as heck going to do just that! Maybe it's strange for me to expect similar behavior from most people but in my experience knowing I could make enough money for a month or two of car payments or grocery runs simply by taking some time to sell something on the open market is a no brainer.

-Gregory
If it's not fun to give advice, why would the knowledgeable folks who dispense it for free continue to do so? Folks here self-police frivolous information pretty well, in my experience. The original poster seeking the valuation was grateful and walked away with good general information, and then you provided a more informed perspective for that specific bike. Why not leave it there? The social altruism angle you have here is tiresome and bizarre.

I think it's just your suggestion that the posters somehow wronged the requestor by giving their honest assessments really rubs me the wrong way.

Last edited by noobinsf; 06-27-22 at 04:33 PM.
noobinsf is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 04:23 PM
  #64  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Saratoga, CA
Posts: 807

Bikes: 1981 Bianchi Specialissim, 1976 Colnago Super. 1971 Bob Jackson. 2012 Kestrel 4000. 2012 Willier. 2016 Fuji Cross 1.1

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 271 Post(s)
Liked 899 Times in 368 Posts
Since Vintage bikes are not traded commodities on an exchange (such as stock, Precious Metals, Pork Bellies) it is down to supply and demand through how you choose to buy/sell. As we all know the markets are highly variable both week-to-week and region-to-region. In general, I will pay too much for something I want since I want it. I will also sell for less than I think something is worth if I think it is going to a good home. So I know my opinions are biased since I will overpay, under price, and I live in an expensive market. Because of that I have only commented on one appraisal item, some tubular wheels. For some reason, I buy a lot of tubular wheels. I gave my opinion, my market, and my reason.
SwimmerMike is offline  
Likes For SwimmerMike:
Old 06-27-22, 04:27 PM
  #65  
Senior Member
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 11,659

Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma

Mentioned: 210 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1366 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,739 Times in 931 Posts
Originally Posted by TugaDude
Here's my take on this issue of valuation. I have noticed some offering up what I consider low estimates of value. I think they are stating what THEY would pay, given that they are probably going to FLIP THE BIKE. And so that valuation is necessarily going to be less than what the ordinary person on the street would expect.

So it might be helpful for someone to explicitly state that their valuation reflects what they would need to acquire the bike for in order to maximize profit. It then stands to reason that the person state what they ultimately would list the bike for after cleaning, maintenance, replacements, etc.
That is exactly what I do, however; I also comment that location impacts value also.
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
randyjawa is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 04:33 PM
  #66  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 1,422

Bikes: You had me at rusty and Italian!!

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 552 Post(s)
Liked 1,007 Times in 523 Posts
I have found the words of Mark Twain quite valuable

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

not that I always follow that advice but its good advice nonetheless.
RustyJames is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 04:48 PM
  #67  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kilroy1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Visalia, CA
Posts: 2,268
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 977 Post(s)
Liked 1,814 Times in 604 Posts
Originally Posted by noobinsf
I think it's just your suggestion that the posters somehow wronged the requestor by giving their honest assessments really rubs me the wrong way.
Really that's precisely what I'm suggesting. If someone walked up to me on the street and said "do you know which way to XYZ" and I really didn't know for sure but thought I had an idea which I decided to formulate as a half-boiled set of directions that could easily lead that person astray, if in fact they did end up going the wrong direction based on that information... Well, guess what? They'd have been wronged!

I could have just as easily said "You now what, I'm not entirely sure. You should probably ask someone else."

In this case the uninformed or localized/biased opinions aren't even being solicited from any one person in particular. Apparently plenty of other members here (based on the responses given above) also refrain from posting an appraisal without actually having direct experience or knowledge of the market for the bicycle in question or ones of the same nature. That anyone would argue that's not a reasonable way to go about offering advice/appraisals mystifies me.

-Gregory
Kilroy1988 is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 05:02 PM
  #68  
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 12,113
Mentioned: 200 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2979 Post(s)
Liked 3,622 Times in 1,371 Posts
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
That anyone would argue that's not a reasonable way to go about offering advice/appraisals mystifies me.
Well, according to over half the posts here, if it is free or on the internet, you deserve it.
iab is offline  
Likes For iab:
Old 06-27-22, 05:07 PM
  #69  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kilroy1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Visalia, CA
Posts: 2,268
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 977 Post(s)
Liked 1,814 Times in 604 Posts
Originally Posted by iab
Well, according to over half the posts here, if it is free or on the internet, you deserve it.
Yup! Again, c'est la vie... Doesn't make me feel bad knowing anyone's on my side or not, I said my piece and have tried to address folks who addressed me directly. My initial post and every one since has only been an opinion as well, but certainly one I'm willing to stick by.

-Gregory
Kilroy1988 is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 05:22 PM
  #70  
Full Member
 
SoccerBallXan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona
Posts: 441

Bikes: Many!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 186 Post(s)
Liked 206 Times in 124 Posts
And I'm willing to stick by whoever spent $1800 on a Portage had 3 too many brews on a Saturday.
SoccerBallXan is offline  
Likes For SoccerBallXan:
Old 06-27-22, 05:25 PM
  #71  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kilroy1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Visalia, CA
Posts: 2,268
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 977 Post(s)
Liked 1,814 Times in 604 Posts
Originally Posted by SoccerBallXan
And I'm willing to stick by whoever spent $1800 on a Portage had 3 too many brews on a Saturday.
Precisely the kind of person I hope sees my ads.
Kilroy1988 is offline  
Likes For Kilroy1988:
Old 06-27-22, 05:39 PM
  #72  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 1,422

Bikes: You had me at rusty and Italian!!

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 552 Post(s)
Liked 1,007 Times in 523 Posts
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Precisely the kind of person I hope sees my ads.
Me too!!
RustyJames is offline  
Old 06-27-22, 06:12 PM
  #73  
Full Member
 
SoccerBallXan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona
Posts: 441

Bikes: Many!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 186 Post(s)
Liked 206 Times in 124 Posts
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Precisely the kind of person I hope sees my ads.
So then, we an all agree $1800 for a Portage is hogwash and the only person who would spend that is a drunk.

Again, can we close this thread already?
SoccerBallXan is offline  
Likes For SoccerBallXan:
Old 06-27-22, 06:19 PM
  #74  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Kilroy1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Visalia, CA
Posts: 2,268
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 977 Post(s)
Liked 1,814 Times in 604 Posts
Originally Posted by SoccerBallXan
So then, we an all agree $1800 for a Portage is hogwash and the only person who would spend that is a drunk.

Again, can we close this thread already?
Like I said, I've seen multiple Portages sell for more than $1,000. One member already stated above that they sold their own for $1,000. So no, I don't exactly agree with that statement.

I also don't know why a thread where people are debating something with different points of view constitutes it being necessary to close it. Does it hurt some kind of feeling of yours to think adults can argue civilly? If it bothers you you're welcome not to read or participate.

-Gregory
Kilroy1988 is offline  
Likes For Kilroy1988:
Old 06-27-22, 06:30 PM
  #75  
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,782

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26075 Post(s)
Liked 9,989 Times in 6,938 Posts
.
...I wish there was a free medical advice forum on Biekforums. The co-pays are killing me at the doctor's office.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.