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Old 07-20-22, 05:45 PM
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When you stumble onto one that's out of your league...


... it's like she belongs in a museum. Even holding her, picking her up, leaning her against the wall.. it's all exciting, and terrifying. I want to pinch myself, to prove that it is real, but then, I don't want to chance not having both hands on her, firmly, but gently.
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Old 07-20-22, 05:51 PM
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Old 07-20-22, 06:19 PM
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It sounds like you are having a great experience, with a bit of trepidation??

I'm not sure if it is the same, but I had feelings much like that when I was able to buy an essentially NIB 1974 Raleigh International about 22 years ago. It was pristine, and I wasn't sure if that was good. I wanted to ride the bike and not worry about it.

My solution/compromise was to have the frame lightly clear coated by a very trusted and esteemed frame builder. I ride the bike in benign conditions and treat it gently. It is still lovely and I still love it.



I hope that you also find an arrangement that meets your needs.

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Best solution is lean it up against a tree, let it fall and get a small scratch or a handlebar ding in the top tube...

No longer pristine and rideable!
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Best solution is lean it up against a tree, let it fall and get a small scratch or a handlebar ding in the top tube...

No longer pristine and rideable!
Sad but true. Unless you're a collector with a special place for it. Try for a small scratch though, a ding would be too painful. 😭😁😉
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Old 07-20-22, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by uncle uncle View Post
... it's like she belongs in a museum. Even holding her, picking her up, leaning her against the wall.. it's all exciting, and terrifying. I want to pinch myself, to prove that it is real, but then, I don't want to chance not having both hands on her, firmly, but gently.
Me thinks you underestimate yourself.
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Old 07-20-22, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Best solution is lean it up against a tree, let it fall and get a small scratch or a handlebar ding in the top tube...

No longer pristine and rideable!
This sentiment turns my stomach, a bit. This is exactly what happened to the first one I stumbled upon that was out of my league. Italvega Super Speciale, Nouvo Record equipped. I was 14 years old, and this was my first Italian road bike. I leaned it up against something I shouldn't have. After it fell over, the top tube had a nice dent in it. It sickened me enough to motivate a full repaint. After dent rolling and paint (Imron, I believe), we made the drive down to Cyclart for correct decals. Then clear coat. Learn from my pain, don't choose this path! There are plenty of other ways to defile her...
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Old 07-21-22, 09:41 AM
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This is for when I'm in the armchair league.
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Doing the work on my bikes myself pretty much guarantees they are not going to stay unmarked for long. I do not have to go through an install a blemish on purpose moment.
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Old 07-21-22, 10:29 AM
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Old 07-21-22, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
My solution/compromise was to have the frame lightly clear coated by a very trusted and esteemed frame builder. I ride the bike in benign conditions and treat it gently. It is still lovely and I still love it.
Steve in Peoria
Damn, never thought of that. Vintage Raleigh decals seem to flake off when you look at them. I think even a DIY rattle can using clear 1k would make the finish a lot more durable.
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Old 07-21-22, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Damn, never thought of that. Vintage Raleigh decals seem to flake off when you look at them. I think even a DIY rattle can using clear 1k would make the finish a lot more durable.
Yeah, I bought my beautiful Gran Sport in 1976 and rode it for 14 years. The paint and decals suffered a fair bit over the years, despite reasonably good treatment. I have memories of the brake cable housing rubbing through the paint. That experience led me to be rather cautious about how to treat the shiny NIB International, and raised the subject on the CR list back then. One of the frame builders/painters on the list suggested the light clear coat, which seemed like a great idea. There was some concern from other CR members that bikes should preserved as-is. I'm quite happy with my choice.

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Old 07-21-22, 12:59 PM
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I felt that way about a Paramount that I acquired from a forum member a few years ago. I knew it was going to be a stretch for me and I may not be keeping it, so I was nervous about scratching it and ruining its value. I rode it long enough to enjoy the experience, but then passed it along to a much taller owner. Thankfully, there were no incidents along the way and the new owner was thrilled with its condition.
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Old 07-21-22, 01:14 PM
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If you own it, you gotta ride it! Just bite the bullet, but be very​​​​​, very careful.🙂
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Out of my league, you must be joking, I'm foolish enough to think I can handle them all.
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Originally Posted by Pompiere View Post
I felt that way about a Paramount that I acquired from a forum member a few years ago. I knew it was going to be a stretch for me and I may not be keeping it, so I was nervous about scratching it and ruining its value. I rode it long enough to enjoy the experience, but then passed it along to a much taller owner. Thankfully, there were no incidents along the way and the new owner was thrilled with its condition.
I know we probably saw it already but can we see it again plz.
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I know we probably saw it already but can we see it again plz.
Here you go. There were a few minor chips in the paint, but it was a 35 year old frame that had actually been ridden, not a wall hanger. I think the touring geometry and Columbus tubing combined to make an outstanding ride. I have standing permission from the wife to get another (in the proper size), if one should crop up.


1984 Paramount touring frame
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I have refurbished quite a few bikes for the Bike Exchange over the last 10 or so years and I often will clear coat the frame and fork with Rustoleum automotive clear after a thorough cleaning, de rusting, and rubbing with white polishing compound. The result is fantastic. Not only does it preserve the finish, it also brings back the color and shine to the paint. With judicious paint touch up including the decals the bike will look almost like new again. This Sport was dull and faded before. The rubbing and clear coat transformed it.
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Originally Posted by Pompiere View Post
Here you go. There were a few minor chips in the paint, but it was a 35 year old frame that had actually been ridden, not a wall hanger. I think the touring geometry and Columbus tubing combined to make an outstanding ride. I have standing permission from the wife to get another (in the proper size), if one should crop up.


1984 Paramount touring frame
Size up or down? BTW, what year is it​​​​​​? Sure do like the fender & rack eyelet.
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Originally Posted by Senior Ryder 00 View Post
Size up or down? BTW, what year is it​​​​​​? Sure do like the fender & rack eyelet.
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I needed to size down. I normally ride a 58 cm, this one was a 63.5 cm. I have long legs, so I could just stand over it, but it was tight. The beautiful red paint and the overall condition overrode the less than optimal fit. After riding it for a couple seasons, I decided to move it along. It was 1984, touring model. Apparently there weren't many made.


1984 Paramount Touring


I test fitted some 35 mm tires before I sold it. There wasn't much room, but 32 mm would definitely work.


fork clearance

rear brake bridge
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This is for when I'm in the armchair league.
That would require arm wrestling the pope. 😂😂😂
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Im the kind of guy that checks Craigslist while vacationing in other towns. It is a good day I think. Im guessing late 90s from the graphics. New enough for brifters/ indexed shifting.8 speed Camp. Voloce. Pretty complete group including hubs and head tube bearings. Seat tube decals are great but down tubes show some flaking. Dolmen tubing sticker on frame and fork. Probably change the seat and get a shorter stem, get new tires and ride it, but Id take suggestions about proper care. And Id be grateful for any more info. I like classy steel and simple machines, but Im no vintage expert and I bought it to ride. Good day for sure.

PS- do you think one day those yellow graphics will look as cool and vintage as the Empire State Building does now?

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